Jurgen-Jm-Imports Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 other thing to bear in mind FACELIFTS costs more than PREFACELIFT ie like for like examples of tune or mods.. so facelifts in general will always sell for more thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I remember reading on here a while back about the build quality being lesser on the facelift models. I think it was Homer that mentioned it but I'm not certain as to what contributed to this. Hopefully he sees this and chimes in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I remember reading on here a while back about the build quality being lesser on the facelift models. I think it was Homer that mentioned it but I'm not certain as to what contributed to this. Hopefully he sees this and chimes in If that is the case I'd like to see some evidence. I've yet to hear of any facelift models failing where pre-facelift haven't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Does anyone here have a facelift car with a "suspect" boot latch that is not a VVTi? Yes, how come? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackso11 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 suspect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attero Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 The only thing I like about the facelifts are the headlights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcAB10 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I remember reading on here a while back about the build quality being lesser on the facelift models. I think it was Homer that mentioned it but I'm not certain as to what contributed to this. Hopefully he sees this and chimes in yep, i remember that being mentioned in a thread too but can't remember what either. fwiw i find the dash nicer in pre-facelift and also the seats, the all in one headrest bits annoy me on the facelift esp when trimmed. but the facelift has much nicer lights imo and generally in stock form look a lot more modern. Also, airbags! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 suspect? In the case of mine, it doesn't always open the first time you pull the release lever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackso11 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Never had that problem on either of my pre-facelifts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Some quotes you may find interesting (from the forum (other threads)):- Also, why did they change over to non turbo engine mounts, dodgy seat belts that dont retract, dodgy door armrests that always come away, I'm sure there was something else they buggered up on facelift cars! rear boot mechanism/lever often doesn't open the rear hatch properly? Cheap dipsticks Pheonix used to tell me that the facelift cars use a poorer / thinner metal too (bodywork)....... Perhaps Toyota realised that the pre-face was over-engineered and wanted to optimise / lean out the supra in order to add to their profits. Also why did the 6spd swap to a weaker diff, prop, driveshafts and hubs... The facelift to a smaller "NA" radiator amoung so many other things. Pre-facelift 6spds FTW! You say that, but the vvti motor is better IMHO, it has fly-by-wire throttle with extra safety functions built in, such as throttle shutdown when knock is detected and things like that. The VVTi ecu is also a bit more advanced compared to the non-vvti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandan Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Yes, how come? I don't know of any non VVTi cars that suffer with it - all the ones I have seen are VVti cars. I was wondering if that is the case or whether it's just a fluke related to the cars I have seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandan Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Oh yeah - my facelift had a normal thickness rad, not the NA one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I don't know of any non VVTi cars that suffer with it - all the ones I have seen are VVti cars. I was wondering if that is the case or whether it's just a fluke related to the cars I have seen. It is a 1998 NA though, so same year as VVTI I might look into this, does anyone with pre facelift fancy doing a comparison? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) Some quotes you may find interesting (from the forum (other threads)):- In ref to that Imi quote, I'd say facelifts are more prone to rust, not sure if it's the metal or the finishes. One thing I found quite interesting is on GT5, when you look at the Description of the NA Supra, there's a load of spiel on how various weight reduction techniques were used on the facelift. Do all Supras have hollow rear ARBs? My facelift certainly does. Edited May 18, 2011 by j_jza80 (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandan Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I think a lot of these things need splitting up into 1) Prefacelift 2) Facelift and 3) Facelift VVti as there are differences between all three and people always blend all facelifts into one group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I think a lot of these things need splitting up into 1) Prefacelift 2) Facelift and 3) Facelift VVti as there are differences between all three and people always blend all facelifts into one group. What about later NAs? They don't have VVTi (in Japan at least) but will otherwise be similar to VVTi cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandan Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I think all facelifts have a softer elastomer material for the front upper and lower suspension arm bushes and I think the bush diameter for the lower arm is bigger for facelifts but I'll check that. The part numbers are different. When I replaced my arms I bought early ones for the extra bit oif stiffness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) As well as all these little features i think what has been missed out here is the chassis revisions. Facelifts have extra bracing and a slightly stiffer body to deal with the worst should it happen. Read all you need to know right here http://www.97supraturbo.com/1997%20Service%20Manual/1997%20New%20Car%20Features.pdf Edited May 19, 2011 by Kirk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Getting all of these differences together will be beneficial for FAQ purposes and general referencing. As parts are interchangeable (largely), it will allow for idealising setups through hybrid configurations that may have otherwise been overlooked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 When I replaced my arms I bought early ones for the extra bit oif stiffness. nothing to do with the earlier ones being half the price?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandan Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 nothing to do with the earlier ones being half the price?! They weren't at the time nope. Are they half price now for early ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 No, just twice as expensive for facelift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurai 20V Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Generally in a models life, Toyota always look to make a slight change to freshen the package and reinspire the market.. This costs them money, so to make the change feasilble they also look at ways to save cost, as per the many findings in this thread.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I prefer most things about the facelift (I went for one). The only thing that has always annoyed me has been the radiator. I've never had any overheating problems etc but I just don't like the fact that it's thinner. Never noticed anything else that I didn't like, it's all plus points for me. Nicer lights, nicer dash, nicer clock (digital is so knightrider), I prefer the look of the facelift seats but I agree that the built on headrest is a tad annoying (I have pre-facelift), more bracing, lighter, nicer carpets/rooflining, UK Spec brakes, recaros. Granted some of these are model dependant but there was a lot more "premium" options as standard on the facelift cars. What were those cloth facelift seats all about though? lol. The lesser components mentioned such as the lighter wishbones etc haven't had any effect on the car from what I know so I guess Toyota did their homework on the components they lightened/stiffened/downgraded. I have a V160 in my car as well, 1996 facelift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackso11 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I like the fact you put recaros down as something you like but have changed them to prefacelift in your own car The digital clock may seem knight rider, but I think it looks much more modern. What car has an analogue clock these days It seems to all be down personal taste to be honest, other than dodge door cards and boot latches on facelifts, but that is probably just luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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