Guest Budz86 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) Just after some opinions on this really, sorry if it's been covered before! I'm BPU at the moment, car is an import so only running 1.2 bar max boost. Stock clutch is on it's way out (bite point is high and slips under high boost/speeds, but seems to be fine on normal driving at the moment). Having spoken to a few people some are saying to go with an aftermarket clutch such as RPS, Competition or Southbend and others are saying the stock Toyota one will be ok. I get that an aftermarket one would be a good way to 'future-proof' the car and means if I go small single at a later date it will still be able to handle the power (depending on the setup I were to choose). Also, BPU power would not come close to the power an aftermarket clutch could handle, so it would never be strained. Thing is I have no plans to go single as I'm happy with BPU, plus the car is a daily driver so I want as close to stock as I can get without spending mega money. I will probably run it at the pod when we have the club day out this year, but that's the heaviest use it will get. Having looked at a few prices the RPS they are the best part of £600 for the kit - not sure if you can get just the plate on it’s own and use it with the stock 6 speed cover and release bearing. Having spoken to Steven Manley at Toyota he can get me a stock clutch with cover and release bearing delivered for less than £350. What do you guys think? Edited June 12, 2011 by Budz86 (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcar Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 If you want to go the aftermarket route don't what ever you do get an RPS clutch. I had one and it was shit the bite point was far to low and had problems getting it into gear and it rattled like mad. I now have a compeition clutch stage 4-6 puck. Just fitted it this weekend and I'm well pleased with it. It's a little heavier then stock but no way near as heavy as the RPS one I had. It's a bit jumpy on the start of it you don't give it revs but I think it will get better as the clutch beds in. The only problem I would say there was with the compeition clutch is that you need one of the flywheels to. Something to do with the clearance of the clutch plate. I'm bpu but looking to go single in the future so hence why I have got this one. I have heard good things about southbend to I was going to get one but as someone said on hear if there is a problem they are not in this country and compeition is. But I would personally stay away from RPS in my opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) At BPU levels I would use the stock flywheel with an uprated clutch disc and clutch cover. My own preference would be the 31210-JA800 TRD Clutch Cover & 31250-JA800 TRD Clutch Disc. Chris Wilson can also supply his own uprated clutch parts, drop him an email. Edited May 16, 2011 by Nic (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Budz86 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 If you want to go the aftermarket route don't what ever you do get an RPS clutch. I had one and it was shit the bite point was far to low and had problems getting it into gear and it rattled like mad. I now have a compeition clutch stage 4-6 puck. Just fitted it this weekend and I'm well pleased with it. It's a little heavier then stock but no way near as heavy as the RPS one I had. It's a bit jumpy on the start of it you don't give it revs but I think it will get better as the clutch beds in. The only problem I would say there was with the compeition clutch is that you need one of the flywheels to. Something to do with the clearance of the clutch plate. I'm bpu but looking to go single in the future so hence why I have got this one. I have heard good things about southbend to I was going to get one but as someone said on hear if there is a problem they are not in this country and compeition is. But I would personally stay away from RPS in my opinion! I have heard this about the RPS clutches and to be honest, I don't want the rattle's etc. Also with the bite being quite low and possibly jumpy it just wouldn't be the best option for a daily. Didn't know that with the competition ones you need one of their flywheels, this further increase's the cost and probably rules it out for me personally. Nic, thanks for the heads up about the TRD clutch plate and cover. Would the TRD plate fit with the standard cover and release bearing? And do you have any idea how much power the TRD plate can handle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Nic, thanks for the heads up about the TRD clutch plate and cover. Would the TRD plate fit with the standard cover and release bearing? And do you have any idea how much power the TRD plate can handle? Yes the TRD clutch disc will fit with the stock cover and release bearing. Not sure what the upper hp limit is but the TRD parts will definitely handle BPU hp levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Budz86 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Thanks Nic, just speaking to Steve and he reckons they are discontinued! Not sure where else I can get one, any ideas?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Had a RPS street with stock flywheel on my dialy driver for 5 years and 40K miles in London (20K BPU, 20K 560bhp). Now have a Southbend DXD 3 clutch and wish I had stayed RPS. Speak to Whifbitz on here, in hindsight I should have gone with him. imi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I'd speak with Chris Wilson and see about getting one of his modified clutches, I did, years ago, and it's still fine now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I have a stock clutch, have had for 3 years, and had no issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cje001 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Whats the cost of getting a clutch and fitment from CW? Also lightened flywheel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcar Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Whats the cost of getting a clutch and fitment from CW? Also lightened flywheel? send him an email at [email protected] or give him a ring on 07971 952084 and he will sort you out a price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobapple Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I have the CW uprated oem clutch, it's a nice clutch set up, feels tighter, better feel, but still forgiving round town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Budz86 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Thanks guys, I'll have a chat with Chris tomorrow. Didn't know he did a modified clutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a98pmalcolm Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I have a Genuine Toyota clutch for sale Under a year Old. I upgraded to Compatition Clutch as im going single turbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Thanks Nic, just speaking to Steve and he reckons they are discontinued! Not sure where else I can get one, any ideas?? They are not showing as discontinued on the TRD website, saying that I haven't checked stock levels with TRD recently so they may have run out. http://trdparts.jp/english/list_jza80.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurai 20V Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 They are not showing as discontinued on the TRD website, saying that I haven't checked stock levels with TRD recently so they may have run out. http://trdparts.jp/english/list_jza80.html I just bought a TRD clutch a month ago.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Budz86 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I was going to say where did you get it from but you're in Japan! Can't really wait for it to ship. Does anyone know where I can get one in the UK? I'm probably swaying towards stock to be honest because of price, reliability and aftersales service (if that makes sense). Any more opinions....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurai 20V Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I was going to say where did you get it from but you're in Japan! Can't really wait for it to ship. Does anyone know where I can get one in the UK? I'm probably swaying towards stock to be honest because of price, reliability and aftersales service (if that makes sense). Any more opinions....? Yeah man, in Japan, bought direct from TRD.. There is stock of the clutch, there should be a supply in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilkinson Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 To jump on the bandwagon I had a Chris Wilson uprated clutch assembly on my car at BPU running at 400bhp. It was a very nice clutch. No issues and easily able to hold the power. I wouldn't bother with the TRD one when these are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I think we spoke on the phone, but here is all the info on my clutch upgrade kit: I use the stock, brand new driven plate, as it is correctly balanced, doesn't judder and will hold all but mega torque highly modded engines or cars used for drag racing. I modify a stock brand new cover to give more clamping force. The reason I tooled up to do these is some of the aftermarket US clutches I have fitted SEEM to be built from used cover assemblies with reground friction surfaces, and a stronger spring. I have had hellish trouble getting these to fully release, because due to this seemingly thinner cast iron friction face, the geometry of the clutch goes to pot, and being a pull type clutch (the hydraulics pull the bearing away from the engine, rather than the more normal push type) it is a lot harder to effect a cure. For 455 pounds plus VAT , you get a brand new driven plate, a brand new modded cover, and a brand new release bearing. I would rather fit myself so any complaints are down to me, I see a lot of clutches damaged by people without the right gear (a ramp and transmission jack, plus correct circlip tools and fitment) or clutches fitted to patently *uggered flywheels. I will do a supply only if you feel competent to tackle the job or are using a bona fide garage to fit the clutch Toyota use a dual mass flywheel (the flywheel is in 2 parts, an inner and outer assembly, damped in the middle) which is now showing signs of wear causing a lot of rattle when idling or on very light throttle openings. For God knows what reason they are charging about £270 + VAT for a new one, they look more like they should be over 500 to me, but don't say anything :-) The very similar LUK dual mass flywheel on Maseratis is nearly £1000 + VAT.... So if the flywheels old enough or abused enough to be scored it should be replaced. Fitting by myself will cost £175 + VAT. Reply privately if interested please. [email protected] Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I think we spoke on the phone, but here is all the info on my clutch upgrade kit: . would you say that your upgraded clutch would be sufficient choice for 600bhp, 600lb of Torque? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 No, not at all. You need a twin or triple plate to handle that sort of torque. I run a triple plate OS Giken in my Skyline. Won't last well as a road clutch though, metallic plate clutches do not like being slipped in traffic, on hills et cetera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 No, not at all. You need a twin or triple plate to handle that sort of torque. I run a triple plate OS Giken in my Skyline. Won't last well as a road clutch though, metallic plate clutches do not like being slipped in traffic, on hills et cetera. I have a Southbend DXD stage 3 and hate it - not one that I would ever recommend to anyone. It sometimes judders at the biting point and was an absolute pain to install (changing slave cylinders to smaller piston ones, etc). What would you recommend for a daily driver (London Driving)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Is that a paddle clutch Imi? Or is it a plate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandan Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I have a Southbend DXD stage 3 and hate it - not one that I would ever recommend to anyone. It sometimes judders at the biting point and was an absolute pain to install (changing slave cylinders to smaller piston ones, etc). What would you recommend for a daily driver (London Driving)? What happened to the RPS Imi? I'm still running that and it's fine, did your's wear out eventually? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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