HedgehogSandwich adi Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Thinking of going for an Apexi super intake for my next filter (my ramair is crap). Anyone got one? They look the biz but i just wondered if they were as good as the others available. adi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedgehogSandwich adi Posted March 1, 2002 Author Share Posted March 1, 2002 Just realised its now a power intake rather than a super intake, new model i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 I have mentioned the BFI before and how little it costs but a proper 'of the shelf' type item is available here; http://www.arcinter.co.jp/chamber.html It still needs the 'outside' air input but they do look smart and very 'race spec' still at £250 they should do. I have a local 'metal bender who can make the whole thing in alloy for about £150 that uses the standard Toyota filter, which is better than the Apexi/HKS/NUR filters for both filtration and flow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam W Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 I reckon yur best approach is to say "All the aftermarket filters are equalk in terms of power, which one looks the best?" For my money it's the blitz SUS . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 I'm not saying that at all, I'm saying all the pod filters are expensive rubbish and that 'enclosure' or 'chamber' filters are hugely superior in every way (especially so on a Turbo'd car) I'm also saying that the Toyota Standard filter does a better job than all those expensive ones, so an 'enclosure' or 'chamber' type that can use the standard Toyota filter is the best you can get! Pod filters suck in hot air, then this hot air gets even hotter in the compression phase and you need bigger and bigger IC's to cope, if instead of air entering the turbos at 34C it enters at 12C then there is a 15% improvement in efficiency, how much would an intercooler cost to gain that? No, give my Turbos cold, fresh air every time. Pod filter £150 +IC £550 =£700 BFI= £10 (as DIY) £150 (bespoke model) Same output, less hassle, cooler turbos, longer life, cheaper.....have I forgotten anything?....Yeah, pod filters suck. (REASON FOR EDIT) Found my old data sheets for my car, to summarize, 0-100km/h (280hp)Standard car 6.4/6.7 (300hp)Grahams rearboxes 5.9/6.2 (305?hp)Pod filter +G's boxes 5.8/6.2 (320hp)BFI+ G's boxes 5.3/5.6 (Edited by Mycroft at 4:41 pm on Mar. 3, 2002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedgehogSandwich adi Posted March 3, 2002 Author Share Posted March 3, 2002 Just checked some stats on the apexi power filter, apparently it gives the best filtration and free flow than any of the others available, think i've made up my mind then !! Now, which first, the mongoose or the filter....hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedgehogSandwich adi Posted March 3, 2002 Author Share Posted March 3, 2002 Quote: from Mycroft on 2:47 pm on Mar. 3, 2002[br]I have mentioned the BFI before and how little it costs but a proper 'of the shelf' type item is available here; http://www.arcinter.co.jp/chamber.html It still needs the 'outside' air input but they do look smart and very 'race spec' still at £250 they should do. I have a local 'metal bender who can make the whole thing in alloy for about £150 that uses the standard Toyota filter, which is better than the Apexi/HKS/NUR filters for both filtration and flow. Sorry, im afraid you've lost me completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 The BFI is the intake 'invented' by the guy who runs the site below http://www.users.bigpond.com/pgscott/ Look for the BFI bit. The other URL posted is a manufacturers version of it, the ARC people make a unit specifically for the JZA70! Apex'i can claim all they wish, every independent test shows their claims to be bogus, and all of these pod filters are poor at filtration, they let thru the very worst type of 'grit'. Let me explain, the air under the bonnet has a fine content of oil and grease thrown up from the road and added to from the engine itself, the grit is luricated! It passes thru these silly pod things and goes to work on your precious Turbos, the standard filters from Toyota are more robust, they really do protect the Turbos, I have an HKS pod which was in my car until I saw the light, it's yours for free if you want it. Pods suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 Pods suck. And I thought the turbo's did that. :biggrin: -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedgehogSandwich adi Posted March 3, 2002 Author Share Posted March 3, 2002 Mycroft, pick up your instant mesgs re. the pod filter. the results i've seen for the apexi power intake are done from independent research, and seem very impressive. What about a pod filter with its own cold air enclosure as many people do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 Adi, Don't bother with an induction kit if your after a power gain, which is why i didn't bother with one. Only get it for the looks + sound. Not power, in fact, you might even lose some power. I have seen on the MKIV website the tests for filtration and power gains, and I wouldn't go with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedgehogSandwich adi Posted March 3, 2002 Author Share Posted March 3, 2002 Just had another look at that site, i think to get a clear picture id have to see one fitted. The JZA70 version does not look at all like it would fit the JZA70, i cant see how it would bolt on (the JZA70 airbox incidentally looks completely different to the soarers, the filter is enclosed in a tube-barrel-tube enclosure "==inlet hole" bad drawing) adi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 Try this one. Sorry wrong URL sub chapter. http://www.arcinter.co.jp/in,box.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 Spot on Syed, the independent tests carried out by (I think) JDPower showed that pod filters in EVERY case never bettered the standard units in terms of flow or filtration, they are a bad deal. The intake sound can be fun....for a while, but real fun comes from performance not sound effects, that's for rice-boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedgehogSandwich adi Posted March 3, 2002 Author Share Posted March 3, 2002 Quote: from Mycroft on 8:11 pm on Mar. 3, 2002[br]Try this one. Sorry wrong URL sub chapter. http://www.arcinter.co.jp/in,box.html yep i checked that one too, but on the pic for the JZA it shows a square end, yet there is no square bits anywhere on the JZA air box or pipework, therefore some adapter would surely have to be made. And yep one of the reasons is the sound, i'll admit shamefully. The ramair i've got now sounds well good with the multiple releases of the BOV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam W Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 Theres nothing shameful about that! You wouldn't want a fast car that sounds like a sewing machine, would you? I know what you mean about turbo sound effects, I love it! BrrrrmmmmmmwhooossssshhhhhhpsshhhCHHHHEWWWW etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Whiffin Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 I can supply either Apexi or ARC. I've got an Apexi filter on its way for my car as we speak and I'm going to have a carbon box made to enclose it. ARC are suppose to be very good indeed, expensive though at about £250. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedgehogSandwich adi Posted March 4, 2002 Author Share Posted March 4, 2002 The BOV on the 2.5 sounds even better adam, with multiple releases being done at low pressure, mine can sometimes release up to ten times over about 1 - 1.5 seconds at low boost, decreasing in volume each time (makes those crummy RS turbos with dump valve sound well boring). At high boost it just releases in one loud go. Of course it might be nackered but hey it sounds good. adi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedgehogSandwich adi Posted March 4, 2002 Author Share Posted March 4, 2002 Quote: from Paul Whiffin on 12:00 am on Mar. 4, 2002[br]I can supply either Apexi or ARC. I've got an Apexi filter on its way for my car as we speak and I'm going to have a carbon box made to enclose it. ARC are suppose to be very good indeed, expensive though at about £250. Paul, can you beat £155 for the apexi for the JZA70? Thats the best price i've seen so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Whiffin Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 Well I sell the JZA80 TT kit for £145 plus delivery and VAT so I would have thought the JZA70 would be around the same price. Takes about a week to get one. Let me know if you need one. Cheers Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedgehogSandwich adi Posted March 4, 2002 Author Share Posted March 4, 2002 okay, just deciding on that or a mongoose. cheers adi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedgehogSandwich adi Posted March 5, 2002 Author Share Posted March 5, 2002 Mycroft, is any version of the soarer called the JZA70? I know this is only used for the supra and that the soarers are JZZ or something, but the pics on the site selling the JZA70 ready made BFI actually appear to fit the soarer (looking at that blokes informative BFI diy site) and definately dont fit the JZA70 supra. adi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 No, JZA is exclusively Supra territory, as is JZZ Soarer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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