Samurai 20V Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Almost messed up on the way home today in the Supie.. It just started to spit with rain, road was moist, turned at a 4 way stop, onto the middle lane, stepped on the gas while on the white line I presume, back kicked left, corrected, it kicked right and then straightened up...Luckily no cars nearby.. My tyres are not the best (Dunlop Lemans) but lesson learnt... Respect the Supra.. Needless to say I drove home very slowly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I hate driving the Supra in the rain, it can get wild so easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurai 20V Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 I hate driving the Supra in the rain, it can get wild so easily. Thats what surprised me, I hardly was on the gas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Thats what surprised me, I hardly was on the gas... It's mainly down to the fact that the wide rear tires just like to sit on top of water, I spun out once in my old N/A and I wasn't on the gas at all, just went round a roundabout, let off the gas and as I was going round it, out came the backend, I started countersteering and feathering the throttle, however, I knew I wasn't going to be able to straighten it out and stop it by the time I was up behind the traffic so I just let it go and just mounted a kurb backwards with no damage luckily. I crawl in the wet now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurai 20V Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 It's mainly down to the fact that the wide rear tires just like to sit on top of water, I spun out once in my old N/A and I wasn't on the gas at all, just went round a roundabout, let off the gas and as I was going round it, out came the backend, I started countersteering and feathering the throttle, however, I knew I wasn't going to be able to straighten it out and stop it by the time I was up behind the traffic so I just let it go and just mounted a kurb backwards with no damage luckily. I crawl in the wet now. The weather was tops this morning so I used the car, bloody storm came from nowwhere.. It was a lucky escape... Made me think though, how does the cars with 600hp plus stay on the road? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 The weather was tops this morning so I used the car, bloody storm came from nowwhere.. It was a lucky escape... Made me think though, how does the cars with 600hp plus stay on the road? They don't drive in the wet. Or just dont use boost. You just be gentle with the throttle. I've never spun my bpu or been close. Span my na on a dry sunny day because I was being stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurai 20V Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 They don't drive in the wet. Or just dont use boost. You just be gentle with the throttle. I've never spun my bpu or been close. Span my na on a dry sunny day because I was being stupid. Figured that much lol.. Yeah, after the incident I just drove home off boost...Car behaved itself.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) Lucky escape, glad it wasn't worse. I'd suggest finding somewhere big and open where you can safely test/learn the grip levels of the car in different conditions. Ideally you want to get to the point where you can safely handle the car in all conditions without it catching you out and if it does catch you out what to do. THIS THREAD is well worth a read. It was a lucky escape... Made me think though, how does the cars with 600hp plus stay on the road? If the driver tries to use that 600+hp all the time in all conditions, then the car will fall off the road at the first opportunity. Handling and grip levels are identical on a 220hp 2JZ-GE and a 600+hp 2JZ-GTE, it is a lot easier to lose rear traction with the higher hp car, but that is all down to the driver, his right foot and how/when he uses the available power. Wheels/Tyre choice, suspension setup, geometry setup and brake setup are the keys to getting the best available grip from the car, that would be where I'd spend the money before pushing for a 600+hp car. Edited April 18, 2011 by Nic (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurai 20V Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 Lucky escape, glad it wasn't worse. I'd suggest finding somewhere big and open where you can safely test/learn the grip levels of the car in different conditions. Ideally you want to get to the point where you can safely handle the car in all conditions without it catching you out and if it does catch you out what to do. THIS THREAD is well worth a read. If the driver tries to use that 600+hp all the time in all conditions, then the car will fall off the road at the first opportunity. Handling and grip levels are identical on a 220hp 2JZ-GE and a 600+hp 2JZ-GTE, it is a lot easier to lose rear traction with the higher hp car, but that is all down to the driver, his right foot and how/when he uses the available power. Wheels/Tyre choice, suspension setup, geometry setup and brake setup are the keys to getting the best available grip from the car, that would be where I'd spend the money before pushing for a 600+hp car. Thanks Nic, you definitely make sense.. Need to track down somewhere big in Japan to learn the car. I plan on going to the track soon, so before I do would like to et some practice, will give that thread a good read in the meantime.. I am gonna be modding past BPU in the future so it will pay dividends to get the car and driver setup before the power comes in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I can testify to that... I've almost lost my lil' NA at low speed on a round-a-bout once or twice. As Nic says, it's is all down to the driver. My years of Supra ownership have definitely made me a better driver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Thanks Nic, you definitely make sense.. Need to track down somewhere big in Japan to learn the car. I plan on going to the track soon, so before I do would like to et some practice, will give that thread a good read in the meantime.. I am gonna be modding past BPU in the future so it will pay dividends to get the car and driver setup before the power comes in... You might want to consider fitting Racelogic Traction Control it's a very popular, safe and effective system, it's not a replacement for good car control but if the car does unexpectedly lose rear traction it can make the difference between completely losing control and staying in control. I used RLTC on my own car and would definitely recommend it. If future plans include an aftermarket ECU, there are some that can also handle traction control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attero Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I can't even get back end out now that I have my stock wheels on + LSD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I can't even get back end out now that I have my stock wheels on + LSD. Your not brave enough then or should I say man enough Just park it. Turn the wheel 1/4 turn and burry your right foot. Usually works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Your not brave enough then or should I say man enough Just park it. Turn the wheel 1/4 turn and burry your right foot. Usually works I had a good few goes at some slides last week on large grass car parks (empty) that I found. Had a lot of fun. The missus didn't enjoy it so much though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripped_fear Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Your not brave enough then or should I say man enough Just park it. Turn the wheel 1/4 turn and burry your right foot. Usually works believe it or not he did that in a car park and he just drove round in a circle quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I find her fine, got out of shape a few times in terrential rain on boost but I find it predictabe, you just need to respect the power. I also put alot down to the Goodyear eagle f1 Tyre. Some fun times alright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurai 20V Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 You might want to consider fitting Racelogic Traction Control it's a very popular, safe and effective system, it's not a replacement for good car control but if the car does unexpectedly lose rear traction it can make the difference between completely losing control and staying in control. I used RLTC on my own car and would definitely recommend it. If future plans include an aftermarket ECU, there are some that can also handle traction control. Will definitely consider it...Thks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attero Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Your not brave enough then or should I say man enough Just park it. Turn the wheel 1/4 turn and burry your right foot. Usually works I did it with my wide wheels easy. It's almost certainly down to me not giving it enough kick and turn, but there's so much difference in grip between my wide wheels and my stocks. believe it or not he did that in a car park and he just drove round in a circle quickly lolololol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakey Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Never really had a problem with mine on stock 17's, even when booting it in the wet. Sometimes it steps out but nothing to get worried about. The only time when its really affected me was when my tires were well warn (about the legal limit!) and then it tried to kill me on mini roundabouts . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurai 20V Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 Never really had a problem with mine on stock 17's, even when booting it in the wet. Sometimes it steps out but nothing to get worried about. The only time when its really affected me was when my tires were well warn (about the legal limit!) and then it tried to kill me on mini roundabouts . My tyres are not the best, that could be part of the problem.. There are many painted lines on the road in Japan, that makes driving in the wet a bit of a challenge.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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