Gaz6002 Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 I quite like the look of this one: http://pistonheads.com/sales/2691704.htm Anyone have any experience with these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 This mini looks like just the thing: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2717650.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubbyTwo Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I quite like the look of this one: http://pistonheads.com/sales/2691704.htm Anyone have any experience with these? Tidy, thats to make some serious progress with an R1 lump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraHuman Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 The Mini gets my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 what about one of them vx220 turbo light cheap to run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 what about one of them vx220 turbo light cheap to run Too expensive to buy and to run. Wheels are too big for much oversteery fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 If going bike engined I would look for one that has an Accusump already fitted unless its been modified for track use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 before you say no just think of the potential , small wheels light cheap to run good on petrol ready for track http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ADE-250-ROTAX-SUPERKART-GEARBOX-SHIFTER-KART-257-ROTAX-/200597736212?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2eb48e8b14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 before you say no just think of the potential , small wheels light cheap to run good on petrol ready for track http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ADE-250-ROTAX-SUPERKART-GEARBOX-SHIFTER-KART-257-ROTAX-/200597736212?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2eb48e8b14 I think you're taking my use of the word 'toy' a bit too far! That would be insanely good fun though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubbyTwo Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 until you rolled it yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Would you consider a single seater? 8K would buy a tidy Formula Ford, a ropey old F3, or a really nice Formula Jedi. The Formula Jedi will be cheapest to run, and as fast as an old and ratty F3. In fact I think one still holds the outright Cadwell park lap record. 8K would also buy a very old Sports Prototype, or a fairly modern kit car based race special, which are rarely as reliable as purpose built race car due to costs and compromises. For 8K you need to look at properly handling race cars to go very fast, you don't need much power in something featherweight. Big power single seaters are well outside the budget, and usually VERY expensive to run and maintain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 Would you consider a single seater? 8K would buy a tidy Formula Ford, a ropey old F3, or a really nice Formula Jedi. The Formula Jedi will be cheapest to run, and as fast as an old and ratty F3. In fact I think one still holds the outright Cadwell park lap record. 8K would also buy a very old Sports Prototype, or a fairly modern kit car based race special, which are rarely as reliable as purpose built race car due to costs and compromises. For 8K you need to look at properly handling race cars to go very fast, you don't need much power in something featherweight. Big power single seaters are well outside the budget, and usually VERY expensive to run and maintain. Glad you posted, Chris. I'd consider anything that allows me to go bloody quickly and I've been looking closely at the Jedi-type cars. I've been checking out such cars with bigger bike engines in too, and I'm still unsure whether such high-revving units would be as reliable as a more conventional car engine. The other thing I've been keeping an eye on is a Ginetta G20, but unfortunately I've already missed the season opener. I wonder if a dedicated hillclimb car would be the best bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Bike engines in something as light as a Jedi seem to survive well. The heavier a car gets the more torque can be transmitted, and the bigger the loadings. Radicals with bike engines are so so, Caterfields seem to be OK with some types of bike engines, used sympathetically, less so with others. I can't off the cuff think of anything faster than a Jedi for the price. I hate hillclimbs. Just as much prep and trailering as for a race or track day, for sod all seat time and load of pushing and shoving the car about. Trust me though, whatever you buy will seem mega at the time, but a year later you will want something faster still Eventually you start drooling over this sort of stuff, and buying lottery tickets, or having the house valued and viewing cheap caravans http://www.gurneyflap.com/11hockenheim.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 I'm fully aware that I'll be addicted soon enough but equally I've never had the opportunity to do this before and it's an itch I really do have to scratch. One thing I did want to ensure was that I got the most seat time I possibly could, which means not only a reliable car but also something that has more chance of being used in anger regularly. I'd been looking at Westfields, but do you think I'd have more fun in something with a bit of downforce? Seen that Porsche group C road-legal racer that was doing the rounds last week? This is my drooling sorted for this month: http://bringatrailer.com/2011/04/11/mulsanne-commuter-road-legal-switec-porsche-962c/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 If you bought a Formula Ford you could run it in F4 trim, with slicks and wings. Very reliable, excellent access for servicing, cheap parts if you buy something mainstream. I have run Formula Fords and they are a great entry level single seater. No direct experience with Formula Jedi, but the chassis is well sorted (it must be to turn the times they do ), the engine is a bit of an unknown to me, but I know a few people to ask. If the budget were bigger I'd say go for something like my Zeus, but older. The Vauxhall engine is bullet proof, and they have serious downforce. Caterfields are two a penny on track days, and race days. They go well enough, but don't have the purity of a single seater or a sports prototype. Downforce is a drug, like Crack, once you try a bit you crave more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 I'd absolutely love something like your Zeus, but as you say I think that's something to aim for. I don't want to bankrupt myself in my first year if I can possibly avoid it The more I think about it the more the Jedi makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 I know someone who's selling a caterham supersport. Race ready with trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 I know someone who's selling a caterham supersport. Race ready with trailer. How much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 He never told me. I'll find out and let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 This is a steal, and looks like a really good buy. Bit outside the budget, but looked after it will always fetch this or more. I know a lot about Reynard F3's, and Mugen Honda F3 engines. http://www.motorsportads.com/race-cars/single-seaters/21632.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 25, 2011 Author Share Posted April 25, 2011 Just seen your PM Chris - thanks for that. Looks like a proper bit of kit, that does. I think with the budget I have it's stretching things a bit far though, as I'll have to buy a trailer and actually get the thing running. It's incredibly tempting though. Maybe I should get my cash out and stick it all on black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 If it wasn't for this recession I'd be tempted by that myself I ran an 873 Reynard F3 for several years, and it was the most reliable and nicest to drive race car I have ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Do you have to be 8 stone to fit in it like a westfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 25, 2011 Author Share Posted April 25, 2011 Do you have to be 8 stone to fit in it like a westfield. They do a wide body version for all the proper engines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 This is a steal, and looks like a really good buy. Bit outside the budget, but looked after it will always fetch this or more. I know a lot about Reynard F3's, and Mugen Honda F3 engines. http://www.motorsportads.com/race-cars/single-seaters/21632.html Wow, thats very tempting, a whole lot of car for the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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