Illumanati, your views...

[jazz1]

Interesting videos:

 

nr8oJqpwZz4

 

kyLT9hcp0Q0

[CJ]

Interesting video:

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?v=nr8oJqpwZz4

 

You are not so good at this linking lark are you fella?

[jazz1]

You are not so good at this linking lark are you fella?

 

Using the iPad, can you still view it?

[CJ]

No, all I see is a list of 4 vids that have nothing to do with the Illuminati

[jazz1]

No, all I see is a list of 4 vids that have nothing to do with the Illuminati

 

Type "Stephen dollins" .

[imi]

 

Im Atheist for a reason, i used to go to church and ive read alot on religion when i was younger but religion couldnt fill in the blanks and it in itself is full of holes

agree, a lot of it is and it is good to question. why take anything at face value.

I believe religion is just an excuse to set morals and a basic law and give people false hope as otherwise our lives are just empty

just look at the 10 commandments

a lot of it is and there is nothing wrong with that, the problem is when you notice a political agenda to serve a specific church be it spiritually or in most cases financially. they use the guilt trip in order to line up their own pockets and shower us back with some amazing theatrics. its the most well rehearsed west end show on earth.

 

 

And plus if GOD made man in his own image that just proves that GOD was a man and he obviously favoured man over woman

 

this is the belief of modern Christianity and not of the other two main monolithic religions, there are numerous accounts where Jesus himself said that he was NOT God and should not be worshipped.

 

i dont get the whole church thing either, why go to a place to worship him when he is all around us,inside us and with us all through everything? whats the point

 

well, someone has to pay the bills to keep the lights on.

[Scott]

well, someone has to pay the bills to keep the lights on.

 

 

Speaking of lights, are we going to see the illuminations at blackpool or not? I'm getting rather impatient waiting on a list forming in this thread.

[Morpheus]

I've said it before and I'll say it again; the root word in religion is 'rely'. It's a vicarious exercise, i.e. a Vicar represents 'God' and you rely on his interpretations and direct connection with higher wisdom. That's the idea anyway. There's a lot of good advice in religious texts but ultimately, you need to think it through for yourself, as they also try to convince you that you're born a sinner and that you'll go to hell forever if you don't give the Church some money every Sunday.

 

Ultimately, what you do to others, you do to yourself, as we are all one consciousness, separated only by the illusion of physical reality. Matter is not solid. The key to understanding God is to think of it as the source of a continuum of vibrational waveform frequencies covering the full spectrum, from stillness to infinity.

 

Everything exists on one or many frequencies of light. Matter is made of Photons, which have no mass. It's all an illusion.

 

Just wave your hand infront of your face as fast as you can and it practically disappears. How then is it so difficult to accept that some things like 'God' are possible when your eyes are so obviously limited and they're your main source of information.

 

God cannot be found in any particular place because it would by definition, not be somewhere else, which is impossible unless it's not really God but a Demi-God or lesser chunk of the whole.

 

Everything in the Universe is relative, hence conflict. It's built into the laws of physics. Who created those 'laws' and how are they maintained? Go back far enough and it becomes a matter of pure logic, i.e. if condition 'a' exists, then effect 'b' will be the outcome because there's no other system that's self sustaining. It must be based upon perfect logic. Even chaos has rules or it would spontaneously organise itself. This is what we refer to as 'The Big Bang'. If in the beginning there's nothing, a void, literally nothing, then it can only be nothing relative to something.

 

That something is potential energy. Infinite potential. Our job is to explore our potential, wherever that may take us. We've done the hate and war thing now. I think it's time we give love and peace a chance. We haven't even begun to experience our spiritual and psychic potential yet.

 

The Illuminati have suppressed it apparently. Fear is all you need to prevent free thought. If we're all in basic survival mode, worrying about the cost of petrol and food, what hope is there of devoting adequate time to spiritual matters?

 

Take time to listen to your inner voice, (your conscience) and ponder the visions that you see, (the daydreams).

 

Most people are in a constant struggle to drown out their own soul because what it's saying bothers them.

 

I find the greatest connection to The Divine if you like, when staring up at the stars on a clear night, especially with binoculars. You can have some profound moments doing that. Far from being insignificant, the Universe created us to experience all this subjectively. Science has for too long reduced our significance down to a random accident when the laws of physics specifically preclude random events. What they call random has had exactly and profoundly the opposite effect and produced the most organised structures one could imagine. Also many we could not. All this, despite the infinite potential to destroy it all at any moment, if you believe the random theory.

 

Some of them seem to be doing their best though, re. nuclear radiation.

 

The goal is to realise your creative potential and become Supra Conscious!

[jazz1]

I've said it before and I'll say it again; the root word in religion is 'rely'. It's a vicarious exercise, i.e. a Vicar represents 'God' and you rely on his interpretations and direct connection with higher wisdom. That's the idea anyway. There's a lot of good advice in religious texts but ultimately, you need to think it through for yourself, as they also try to convince you that you're born a sinner and that you'll go to hell forever if you don't give the Church some money every Sunday.

 

Ultimately, what you do to others, you do to yourself, as we are all one consciousness, separated only by the illusion of physical reality. Matter is not solid. The key to understanding God is to think of it as the source of a continuum of vibrational waveform frequencies covering the full spectrum, from stillness to infinity.

 

Everything exists on one or many frequencies of light. Matter is made of Photons, which have no mass. It's all an illusion.

 

Just wave your hand infront of your face as fast as you can and it practically disappears. How then is it so difficult to accept that some things like 'God' are possible when your eyes are so obviously limited and they're your main source of information.

 

God cannot be found in any particular place because it would by definition, not be somewhere else, which is impossible unless it's not really God but a Demi-God or lesser chunk of the whole.

 

Everything in the Universe is relative, hence conflict. It's built into the laws of physics. Who created those 'laws' and how are they maintained? Go back far enough and it becomes a matter of pure logic, i.e. if condition 'a' exists, then effect 'b' will be the outcome because there's no other system that's self sustaining. It must be based upon perfect logic. Even chaos has rules or it would spontaneously organise itself. This is what we refer to as 'The Big Bang'. If in the beginning there's nothing, a void, literally nothing, then it can only be nothing relative to something.

 

That something is potential energy. Infinite potential. Our job is to explore our potential, wherever that may take us. We've done the hate and war thing now. I think it's time we give love and peace a chance. We haven't even begun to experience our spiritual and psychic potential yet.

 

The Illuminati have suppressed it apparently. Fear is all you need to prevent free thought. If we're all in basic survival mode, worrying about the cost of petrol and food, what hope is there of devoting adequate time to spiritual matters?

 

Take time to listen to your inner voice, (your conscience) and ponder the visions that you see, (the daydreams).

 

Most people are in a constant struggle to drown out their own soul because what it's saying bothers them.

 

I find the greatest connection to The Divine if you like, when staring up at the stars on a clear night, especially with binoculars. You can have some profound moments doing that. Far from being insignificant, the Universe created us to experience all this subjectively.

 

The goal is to realise your creative potential and become Supra Conscious!

 

Well said, I like the logic of this guy, everything from nothing.

 

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?v=_bGx3UB-Slg

[Lbm]

Interesting videos:

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?v=nr8oJqpwZz4

 

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?v=kyLT9hcp0Q0

 

You are not so good at this linking lark are you fella?

 

 

After Jazz's extensive research and link he put up, I'm torn between become a Home & Away reporter (for Channel 5 I may add) or the Dalek Wars with FX video.

 

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Nice post

 

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You've changed man. You've got all spiritual ...and actually I like the post

 

Also Konrad's beer analogy about drinking at home or socialising down the pub (like going to Church) is interesting.

[Scott]

I've said it before and I'll say it again; the root word in religion is 'rely'. It's a vicarious exercise, i.e. a Vicar represents 'God' and you rely on his interpretations and direct connection with higher wisdom. That's the idea anyway. There's a lot of good advice in religious texts but ultimately, you need to think it through for yourself, as they also try to convince you that you're born a sinner and that you'll go to hell forever if you don't give the Church some money every Sunday.

 

Ultimately, what you do to others, you do to yourself, as we are all one consciousness, separated only by the illusion of physical reality. Matter is not solid. The key to understanding God is to think of it as the source of a continuum of vibrational waveform frequencies covering the full spectrum, from stillness to infinity.

 

Everything exists on one or many frequencies of light. Matter is made of Photons, which have no mass. It's all an illusion.

 

Just wave your hand infront of your face as fast as you can and it practically disappears. How then is it so difficult to accept that some things like 'God' are possible when your eyes are so obviously limited and they're your main source of information.

 

God cannot be found in any particular place because it would by definition, not be somewhere else, which is impossible unless it's not really God but a Demi-God or lesser chunk of the whole.

 

Everything in the Universe is relative, hence conflict. It's built into the laws of physics. Who created those 'laws' and how are they maintained? Go back far enough and it becomes a matter of pure logic, i.e. if condition 'a' exists, then effect 'b' will be the outcome because there's no other system that's self sustaining. It must be based upon perfect logic. Even chaos has rules or it would spontaneously organise itself. This is what we refer to as 'The Big Bang'. If in the beginning there's nothing, a void, literally nothing, then it can only be nothing relative to something.

 

That something is potential energy. Infinite potential. Our job is to explore our potential, wherever that may take us. We've done the hate and war thing now. I think it's time we give love and peace a chance. We haven't even begun to experience our spiritual and psychic potential yet.

 

The Illuminati have suppressed it apparently. Fear is all you need to prevent free thought. If we're all in basic survival mode, worrying about the cost of petrol and food, what hope is there of devoting adequate time to spiritual matters?

 

Take time to listen to your inner voice, (your conscience) and ponder the visions that you see, (the daydreams).

 

Most people are in a constant struggle to drown out their own soul because what it's saying bothers them.

 

I find the greatest connection to The Divine if you like, when staring up at the stars on a clear night, especially with binoculars. You can have some profound moments doing that. Far from being insignificant, the Universe created us to experience all this subjectively.

 

The goal is to realise your creative potential and become Supra Conscious!

 

 

Whilst I share a lot of your views I don't agree with your clear cut definitions. They are only based on what we know and understand, or better yet what we think we know and understand. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, is true as far as we know. There is proof in our surroundings, existence and experience to support this..... but that is not to say something groundbreaking and mind boggling isn't going to come along in the future. As an example what we know about a black holes, they have been seen to cause events and reactions that to our understandings shouldn't happen (slower time, gravitational light etc). There is also a big difference between a proton and a photon though, light is made of photons (massless so should be uneffected by gravity, hence my black hole mention) whilst protons are what makes up mass (along with neutrons and electrons). The waving of the hand in front of the eyes is also a little strange as our receptors only register around 30fps. Do the same in front of a high frame rate camera and you will see a very solid and detailed hand on every frame.

 

I love pondering things of that nature, the universe, our existence and the "meaning of life" if you like..... I guess I'm a bit of a daydreamer. God in your definition is simply life at it's most simple and the lack of understanding of that simplicity...... that is not the definition in religious terms though so I would tend not to use that reference myself. Of course everytime someone throws in their thoughts of that nature the "vicar", if you will, will try to turn you by saying yes but that is said in the Bible in metaphoric terms, trying to lull you into their herd.

[Morpheus]

You've changed man. You've got all spiritual ...and actually I like the post.

 

I was always spiritual but I've just shapeshifted I guess!

 

I see no division. The Illuminated Ones have funded both sides of the wars. Follow the money.....

[jazz1]

 

After Jazz's extensive research and link he put up, I'm torn between become a Home & Away reporter (for Channel 5 I may add) or the Dalek Wars with FX video.

 

 

 

Nice post

 

 

 

You've changed man. You've got all spiritual ...and actually I like the post

 

Also Konrad's beer analogy about drinking at home or socialising down the pub (like going to Church) is interesting.

 

No I was posting to show you guys that it is not GOD alone that exists .

[Morpheus]

The waving of the hand in front of the eyes is also a little strange as our receptors only register around 30fps. Do the same in front of a high frame rate camera and you will see a very solid and detailed hand on every frame.

 

Precisely my point.

 

Without technological assistance we're practically blind, yet we're so keen to dismiss what we can't see with our own eyes.

 

Everyone should see a healer or three. Reiki is a common thing now and no-one would find it difficult to find someone local.

 

I mention it because it can remove energy blockages in the aura, which severely limit our perception of reality. We are, afterall, multi-dimensional beings and exist on many different levels simultaneously. Our 98% junk DNA for example links us to these other levels. It's supposed to have 12 strands apparently, yet we're running on just two.

 

I like Dan Winter's lectures. He's an electrical engineer with a very far out but well researched view on the whole thing. Not much he doesn't have an answer for. Bit like Mr. Icke really. All depends on where you want to pitch your tent. I'm still hiking.

[Lbm]

I was always spiritual but I've just shapeshifted I guess!

 

I see no division. The Illuminated Ones have funded both sides of the wars. Follow the money.....

 

 

No I was posting to show you guys that it is not GOD alone that exists .

 

Oh gee, thanks Jazz, without your help, all I thought was that the only thing was the Lord and nothing else. You doughnut

 

Everyone should see a healer or three. Reiki is a common thing now and no-one would find it difficult to find someone local.

 

I mention it because it can remove energy blockages in the aura, which severely limit our perception of reality.

 

Oh no, now you've moved onto alternative therapies...another thread coming on I feel.

 

My (ex) business partner of 25 years has been a qualified practitioner of TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine)

 

While his clients like what he does and he gave me a tweek here and there, I'm still not convinced by any of this stuff. Having done martial arts for many years I wanted to buy into this stuff. I just couldn't

 

But the question is, do the Illuminati use Reiki?

[Scott]

Precisely my point.

 

Without technological assistance we're practically blind, yet we're so keen to dismiss what we can't see with our own eyes.

 

Everyone should see a healer or three. Reiki is a common thing now and no-one would find it difficult to find someone local.

 

I mention it because it can remove energy blockages in the aura, which severely limit our perception of reality.

 

 

But your reasoning for having that train of thought seems very flawed to me, same with the photons analogy. You seem to be picking out little details of what is known, dismissing the ones that don't suit you and creating your own beliefs from them. That, IMO, is very close minded rather than open minded. All factors, variables and scenarios should be considered in order to come to an informed decision/opinion/belief surely?

 

I've been to a "healer", does nothing for me. I've also been to a palm reader, I gave no information and I got nothing back when others had raved about him. However...

 

Have you ever seen someone drink what they think is alcohol when in actual fact there is none? Or seen a person take what they think is drugs when it is in fact glucose powder? Different people react in different ways to the above scenarios, much the same as the people who visit "healers" and "hypnotists".

 

We know next to nothing about the human brain. In fact I'll tell a little story that is almost along the same lines as what I am getting at. When I was in primary school I was fairly tall. I was around 3rd or 4th tallest in my class. When I went to bed at night I used to think about being taller (i've always been a thinker) almost willing myself to grow, wishing I would be bigger etc. By the end of primary 4 I was the tallest in my class and by the age of 14 I was 6'2. By the age of 15 I grew to 6'4 and that is where I thought I had stopped growing. Turns out I am now 6'5. Noone in my family is anywhere near my height, I have no tall relatives to speak of as everyone is average height. In fact the tallest person in my family, other than myself, is 5'10. Now I know there is probably a scientific explanation for my height, and the randomness of height etc, but I have always wondered if I told my brain to make me taller and it listened. Stupid I know but the brain can do amazing things if we could only access it properly. Oh, another thing I can do is control my heartrate, been able to do that since I was an early teen

[Lbm]

Scott, I like your height encouragement mind-management visualization technique.

 

I too used this.

 

Today I stand at a magnificent 5 foot 5.

 

It works!

[Scott]

Scott, I like your height encouragement mind-management visualization technique.

 

I too used this.

 

Today I stand at a magnificent 5 foot 5.

 

It works!

 

You wanted to be a first class perv didn't you

[Lbm]

You wanted to be a first class perv didn't you

 

Put on a headcam and I'm in business.

[Scott]

Headcam you say.....

[Lbm]

Headcam you say.....

 

Oh dear lord

[Scott]

Oh dear lord

 

 

 

To quote my Wife.....

 

Argh men!

[Morpheus]

But your reasoning for having that train of thought seems very flawed to me, same with the photons analogy. You seem to be picking out little details of what is known, dismissing the ones that don't suit you and creating your own beliefs from them. That, IMO, is very close minded rather than open minded. All factors, variables and scenarios should be considered in order to come to an informed decision/opinion/belief surely?

 

I've been to a "healer", does nothing for me. I've also been to a palm reader, I gave no information and I got nothing back when others had raved about him. However...

 

Have you ever seen someone drink what they think is alcohol when in actual fact there is none? Or seen a person take what they think is drugs when it is in fact glucose powder? Different people react in different ways to the above scenarios, much the same as the people who visit "healers" and "hypnotists".

 

We know next to nothing about the human brain. In fact I'll tell a little story that is almost along the same lines as what I am getting at. When I was in primary school I was fairly tall. I was around 3rd or 4th tallest in my class. When I went to bed at night I used to think about being taller (i've always been a thinker) almost willing myself to grow, wishing I would be bigger etc. By the end of primary 4 I was the tallest in my class and by the age of 14 I was 6'2. By the age of 15 I grew to 6'4 and that is where I thought I had stopped growing. Turns out I am now 6'5. Noone in my family is anywhere near my height, I have no tall relatives to speak of as everyone is average height. In fact the tallest person in my family, other than myself, is 5'10. Now I know there is probably a scientific explanation for my height, and the randomness of height etc, but I have always wondered if I told my brain to make me taller and it listened. Stupid I know but the brain can do amazing things if we could only access it properly. Oh, another thing I can do is control my heartrate, been able to do that since I was an early teen

 

So you're an alien too huh? Cool!

 

I'm the same height and also have atleast some control over my heartrate. Resting pulse is still only around 50bpm and I'm 42.

 

Anyway, trust me, I've thought this through to it's logical conclusion and back again in time for cornflakes. I still agree though, that we know less now than we think we do. As Socrates alledgedly said, "Wisdom is knowing how little we know".

 

Healing doesn't affect everyone in the same way. Ideally, it will have no effect atall, in the same way that putting your leg in a cast won't help if it isn't broken.

 

I, however, have had some bizarre experiences with some of them. One lady by the name of Mary Phipps, had magnetic hands, for example. She could literally pull my face around without touching me, forcing me to grin. It was quite real. Everything is electrical first, chemical second and physical third. The physical is the outcome of all the previous stages or decisions so yes Scott, you may well have willed yourself to grow taller.

 

Have you read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth? Very interesting and along the same lines.

[colsoop]

A thread with religous views that hasn't been locked ! perhaps the "give love and peace" a chance thing is starting to work

[Scott]

So you're an alien too huh? Cool!

 

I'm the same height and also have atleast some control over my heartrate. Resting pulse is still only around 50bpm and I'm 42.

 

Anyway, trust me, I've thought this through to it's logical conclusion and back again in time for cornflakes. I still agree though, that we know less now than we think we do. As Socrates alledgedly said, "Wisdom is knowing how little we know".

 

 

Very good quote that, and spot on IMO. The more you learn the more questions you should have.

 

I don't think I have a low heartrate (I'm as healthy as a chip) but I can drop it or raise it if I can hear it. A few years back I was at the gym with a mate and I was telling him about it. He didn't believe me so I told him I would show him. We were on the treadmill so I picked up the pace a bit then we headed over to the heartrate monitor. Once plugged in I was at the high 180s. Clearly I could feel and hear my heartrate naturally so I started to concentrate on lowering it, I got it to around 110-115. As soon as I stopped concentrating it jumped straight back up to 170ish. I started concentrating again but I couldn't push it past 180. When I am resting I can raise it fairly high (over 100 anyway) but not get it a LOT lower, the opposite is the case when it is quite high.

 

My body used to also keep a constant temp of 39 degrees too. I don't know if it still does as I think it was metabolism related, and as I said I'm now as healthy as a chip lol.

 

 

Healing doesn't affect everyone in the same way. Ideally, it will have no effect atall, in the same way that putting your leg in a cast won't help if it isn't broken.

 

I, however, have had some bizarre experiences with some of them. One lady by the name of Mary Phipps, had magnetic hands, for example. She could literally pull my face around without touching me, forcing me to grin. It was quite real. Everything is electrical first, chemical second and physical third. The physical is the outcome of all the previous stages or decisions so yes Scott, you may well have willed yourself to grow taller.

 

 

I know you won't take offence to this but I don't believe that she has physical magnetic control over anything. If she could she would be in every scientific journal written on human kinetic force, be plastered all over the TV and newspapers.

 

This is the cynic coming out in me now but I hear of all these great wonders of the world, and yet as soon as a camera is put on the person claiming to be able to do these great feats they suddenly can't. Take, for example, that strong guy who could bend pennies in his eyelids. They had him on TV somewhere showing it off, however a journalist handed him a penny to show him it with his and he refused. He had never refused in the past so it was either because he always used his own pennies, or he always swapped out pennies that he was handed using sleight of hand.

 

When it comes to testing these people they always refuse, because, again in my opinion, it is all a huge smoke screen of will and influence on others.

 

Perhaps your face did contort, but perhaps it was your subconscious doing it while your conscious was willing it to happen. I can bet you pound to a penny that she couldn't do the same with me regardless, nothing works on me and as far as I'm concerned at the moment it never will. I'm a sceptic willing to travel to be proved wrong though

 

Have you read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth? Very interesting and along the same lines.

 

To be fair I am pretty illiterate in that sense. I don't read as it's too slow a method of obtaining information for me. I am a daydreamer and I get bored VERY easily, it has to be fast and to the point for me to take notice. I like 1 hour shows that cover 300 pages of literacy, I know the 300 page book will have more depth but I take in very little of what I read anyway due to drifting off in my own head so I tend just to avoid books in general lol.