j_jza80 Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Simply fact is nobody will agree with everyone all of the time and it is the human instinct that causes war you've hit the nail on the head there. It's not religion that causes war, it's greed (sometimes interpreted as action necessary for survival) intolerance and misunderstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian R Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 That's not true at all I'm afraid. There were US servicemen (volunteers) serving in our armed forces from 1939. Many hundreds of US merchant sailors died before Pearl Harbour because of U boat attacks. The US was supplying us with weapons, fuel etc under lend lease. It could be debated that the US would have come to our aid even without Pearl Harbour, as opinion in the US had started swinging in our favour. As for your comments about the cold war, regardless of the USAs intentions, Stalin had designs on much of Europe, and for all we know the cold war in Europe prevented ww3. The Americans did not officially join the war until 1941 (fact) that was 2 years after France and Uk had declared war on Germany. With your view on volunteers you could argue Italy was a key player on that basis due to the fact that a convicted Mafia boss helped and gave the US information on Sicily. Again as for the cold war the US was only looking after number 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 The Americans did not officially join the war until 1941 (fact) that was 2 years after France and Uk had declared war on Germany. With your view on volunteers you could argue Italy was a key player on that basis due to the fact that a convicted Mafia boss helped and gave the US information on Sicily. The USA didn't declare war until 1941, but they were still playing a very significant role. You can dispute all you want about their intentions, the fact of the matter is we couldn't have defeated the Axis without them. There is no hard evidence one way or the other or their priorities/intentions, but the general impression you get from the media at the time would suggest a greater sense of unity. We also helped them in the pacific, a great deal more than most people's knowledge of the conflict would suggest. Why do you think Italy went relatively unpunished at the end of the war I didn't know it was a mafia boss though. Also, the US allowed us to test our Nuclear weapons on their test ranges, a vital part of our defence during the cold war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Many hundreds of US merchant sailors died before Pearl Harbour because of U boat attacks. Actually, you are wrong. Up until December 1940 there were only 3 deaths of American seamen. In 1941 there were considerably more but the majority were down to Japanese attacks and not U boat interference. The list here is quite informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Greed is the cause of war. I believe this is the case. Greed. At the end of the day people disagree because our interests conflict, i.e. who gets the last rolo etc. They only conflict because we both 'want' the same thing and both can't have it. Greed. Religion might start us on the road to a conflict of interest/greed (i.e. who owns what holy city/land/cow) but at the end of the day it seems to be due to greed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 The Americans did not officially join the war until 1941 (fact) that was 2 years after France and Uk had declared war on Germany. With your view on volunteers you could argue Italy was a key player on that basis due to the fact that a convicted Mafia boss helped and gave the US information on Sicily. Again as for the cold war the US was only looking after number 1 Actually, you are wrong. Up until December 1940 there were only 3 deaths of American seamen. In 1941 there were considerably more but the majority were down to Japanese attacks and not U boat interference. The list here is quite informative. I believe this is the case. Greed. At the end of the day people disagree because our interests conflict, i.e. who gets the last rolo etc. They only conflict because we both 'want' the same thing and both can't have it. Greed. Religion might start us on the road to a conflict of interest/greed (i.e. who owns what holy city/land/cow) but at the end of the day it seems to be due to greed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13682082 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Co-founded by Denis Healey. That should put all conspiracy theories about it to bed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 It seems the illuminati have spirited away the OP too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 It seems the illuminati have spirited away the OP too. Inbetween removing Jazz and controlling gravity it's a wonder they have time to have meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Co-founded by Denis Healey. That should put all conspiracy theories about it to bed! why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Uh oh, what's Jazz done now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Inbetween removing Jazz and controlling gravity it's a wonder they have time to have meetings. Yes let me pointlessly expand on this a little...say 'a day in the life of a Bilderberger' perhaps? Monday...Got up, took lizard suit off, washed, put it back on, banned Jazz, had breakfast, went to secret meeting (basement underneath Croydon's Maccy Dee) & discussed plans for implementing Gravity control, dropped croissant on floor, revised plans for gravity conrol, ate insects for afternoon tea, phone big banking friends, listened to Mendlesohn, listened to Mandelson - preferred the former, spoke to Bush, hid in a bush, dressed up as an owl, checked Jazz's perma-ban, checked Geo's perma-tan, then off to the Mod yacht - Oops I've given JB's identity away...blast, done it again. Tuesday - got up, took lizard suit off etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Yes let me pointlessly expand on this a little...say 'a day in the life of a Bilderberger' perhaps? Monday...Got up, took lizard suit off, washed, put it back on, banned Jazz, had breakfast, went to secret meeting (basement underneath Croydon's Maccy Dee) & discussed plans for implimenting Gravity control, dropped croiscent on floor, revised plans for gravity conrol, ate insects for afternoon tea, phone big banking friends, listened to Mendlesohn, listened to Mandelson - preferred the former, spoke to Bush, hid in a bush, dressed up as an owl, checked Jazz's perma-ban, checked Geo's perma-tan, then off to the Mod yacht - Oops I've given JB's identity away...blast, done it again. Tuesday - got up, took lizard suit off etc... That's all rather complicated, my usual day is - Get up, have a lemsip and what-not, watch Teenage Mutant Turtles for several hours, eat some bread, drink some Um Bongo, Have another Lemsip with usual couterpart action and then go to sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 That's all rather complicated, my usual day is - Get up, have a lemsip and what-not, watch Teenage Mutant Turtles for several hours, eat some bread, drink some Um Bongo, Have another Lemsip with usual couterpart action and then go to sleep. Ahh, tossing and turning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Yes let me pointlessly expand on this a little...say 'a day in the life of a Bilderberger' perhaps? Monday...Got up, took lizard suit off, washed, put it back on, banned Jazz, had breakfast, went to secret meeting (basement underneath Croydon's Maccy Dee) & discussed plans for implementing Gravity control, dropped croissant on floor, revised plans for gravity conrol, ate insects for afternoon tea, phone big banking friends, listened to Mendlesohn, listened to Mandelson - preferred the former, spoke to Bush, hid in a bush, dressed up as an owl, checked Jazz's perma-ban, checked Geo's perma-tan, then off to the Mod yacht - Oops I've given JB's identity away...blast, done it again. Tuesday - got up, took lizard suit off etc... Very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 but the key question still remains - why would hundreds of the most influential people in politics/business etc meet secretly (this is the first time its been reported in the MSM)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Yes let me pointlessly expand on this a little... yep, that was pointless - but thanks for the contribution none the less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 but the key question still remains - why would hundreds of the most influential people in politics/business etc meet secretly But they're not meeting secretly, are they? Here's their not-so-secret website: http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.php (this is the first time its been reported in the MSM)? Except when it was reported before: 2004 BBC report on Bilderberg group, 5th highest result on Google search for 'Bilderberg group.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 But they're not meeting secretly, are they? Here's their not-so-secret website: http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.php Except when it was reported before: 2004 BBC report on Bilderberg group, 5th highest result on Google search for 'Bilderberg group.' it's not so secret any more because of the number of people who question their motives... it's existed for 57 years and has been reported on a handful of times... google search just shows people want to know what it is/agenda etc. why are people still willing to accept what they are told without thinking for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 why are people still willing to accept what they are told without thinking for themselves. Why do people watch a few Youtube videos and then assume that makes them 'enlightened' on the subject of world politics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Why do people watch a few Youtube videos and then assume that makes them 'enlightened' on the subject of world politics? who are these people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I won't name names Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 it's not so secret any more because of the number of people who question their motives... it's existed for 57 years and has been reported on a handful of times... google search just shows people want to know what it is/agenda etc. why are people still willing to accept what they are told without thinking for themselves. No, what the Google search shows is that your initial claim about 'this is the first time it's been reported on in mainstream media' is 100% wrong. Here's another report from 2001:http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2001/mar/10/extract1( It's worth a read as it's a candid interview with Lord Healey). So now you're backpedalling to say that it's only been reported on 'a handful of times.' But that's not right either. Take a look at http://www.bilderberg.org/1998.htm. This seems to be a kind ofpro-conspiracy site and it helpfully lists the extensive discussion the group gets in national newspapers. Plenty of articles in the first page I clicked on - 1998. Your last line is a logical nonsense. Everyone outside of a lunatic asylum accepts as true some things they are told. If this wasn't the case then we would be entirely limited to our own direct experience. I wouldn't believe in Costa Rica because I've never been there, and can only rely on the testimony of others that claim they have (and their faked photographs). You accept certain things you are told just as much as anyone, otherwise you wouldn't believe The Bilderberg Group existed. You just trust different sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 yep, that was pointless - but thanks for the contribution none the less. You're welcome and there's really no need to thank me. Edit: Penguin read Them by Jon Ronson, it's very good. You might find it interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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