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my local garage semi-tuner (does racing but im not fully aware how good his skills are) reckons a set of vernier pulleys would do the job for tuning but i did read ecu management would be a more reliable option.

 

whats involved with your cam doctor machine? im hoping to buy an NA-T kit soon and would like to get some of these cams and get them fitted at the same time? do you do the check after high lift?

 

A Cam Doctor merely measures the profiles of a cam offf the engine and you get a print out like below, which is for some turbo cams for a 1.6 engine of mine.

 

You NEED a mappable ecu and vernier pulleys to do the slightest bit of good with modified cam profiles.

 

 

 

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CAM PRO PLUS Cam Card Report 11:42:59 08/10/2010

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Spec. Value

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File x:\Chris Wilson Direct acting mechanical profiles\D300-D399\D361.CPP

Lobes I1

Lobe Separation ----- Cam Deg.

Checking Height 0.010 Inch

Valve Overlap ----- Crank Deg.

 

Intake Exhaust

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Centerline 106.0 ATDC

Open 44.8 BTDC

Close 76.9 ABDC

Duration 301.8 Crank Deg.

Area 37.12 Inch Deg.

Lash 0.0250 Inch

Rocker Ratio 1.00

Peak Cam Lift 0.43405 Inch

Peak Valve Lift 0.40905 Inch

Lift @ TDC 0.1363 Inch

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Spec. Value

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Checking Height 0.039 Inch

Valve Overlap ----- Crank Deg.

 

Intake Exhaust

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Centerline 106.0 ATDC

Open 21.3 BTDC

Close 52.2 ABDC

Duration 253.5 Crank Deg.

Area 36.69 Inch Deg.

Lash 0.0250 Inch

Rocker Ratio 1.00

Peak Cam Lift 0.43405 Inch

Peak Valve Lift 0.40905 Inch

Lift @ TDC 0.1363 Inch

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T.T. inlet cams are a drop in fit and it would be simpler in the long run to ditch the distributor and change to coil packs, you could then run the T.T. exhaust cams too.

 

That would indeed be the best way to go, but then you are still limited to profiles designed for a supercharged engine, not an N/A. Not having to machine a didi drive gear would make cam *Manufacture* (rather than re profiling) cheaper and easier.

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That would indeed be the best way to go, but then you are still limited to profiles designed for a supercharged engine, not an N/A. Not having to machine a didi drive gear would make cam *Manufacture* (rather than re profiling) cheaper and easier.

 

Titan claim to be making cams for the N/A but they are as elusive as Whizzbang Fannymoulds. ;)

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That would indeed be the best way to go, but then you are still limited to profiles designed for a supercharged engine, not an N/A. Not having to machine a didi drive gear would make cam *Manufacture* (rather than re profiling) cheaper and easier.

 

That would be a 'niggle', but could be compensated with adjustable cam gears.

 

"designed for a supercharged engine" ;)

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Technical issues asside Na engines are disposable in value 100-150 second hand, If I thought cams would do for me what i wanted i would try them, even though it seems a bodge what they do (welding then regrinding) is comon industry practice and as mentioned befor several compnanies would do it in the uk and i would imagine mnny racing teams use reground cams (especially when they maybe testing several profiles) without issue

 

The major issue would be longevity in the valvetrain but this is comprimised anyway with any 'larger cam' profile who really cares? its a cheap car with a cheap and easy engine to replace and you want to see what you can get out of it just do it

 

Iv driven/ worked a few cars which have used a rising rate FPR to provide the extra fueling too with success (a hell of a lot cheaper than a programable ECU) again might seem like a bodge but it does work

 

I personally would steer clear of TTC as a friend of mine has had a lot of problems with their products, especially when u long established uk companies speicialise in this area

 

I have been personally researching cams extensivly for my V8 as i want to develop NA power i fitted cams befor to a 4A engine its not what you would describe as bang for buck IMO, I dont know if id do it or can justify it again

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looked up TTC (see edit history)
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i just emailed Kent Cams about such a service. il post when i get a response. im going to dyno soon, then cam it up then dyno after and check results. i might be shooting myself in the foot, but at least it will be fun trying to get more bhp without a turbo :) hopefully such a process AND a NA-T kit would be a final target for engine mods. after that its probably not worth it due to cost.

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