welshbuddy Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Ahh here's my little rant. At the moment I'm sitting in the van due to being kicked off site. Reason? Good question! Well started off my company I work for, was kicked offsite, due to not having Mich work ! I was working ! As site boss walked passed and asked me am I wearing the right gloves to use a Stanley knife. At this point. I was abitt confused. I thought to myself it's a knife not a bloody machete (or something that can take your armoff) . So the. He said to me straight away " get offsite.go park up!. I don't want you on Herr" I then said, "you are having a laugh ain't you. U know it's not the 1st of April yet " he then flipped! I am now awaiting my boss to come Here, pathetic I'd say!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Ahh here's my little rant. At the moment I'm sitting in the van due to being kicked off site. Reason? Good question! Well started off my company I work for, was kicked offsite, due to not having Mich work ! I was working ! As site boss walked passed and asked me am I wearing the right gloves to use a Stanley knife. At this point. I was abitt confused. I thought to myself it's a knife not a bloody machete (or something that can take your armoff) . So the. He said to me straight away " get offsite.go park up!. I don't want you on Herr" I then said, "you are having a laugh ain't you. U know it's not the 1st of April yet " he then flipped! I am now awaiting my boss to come Here, pathetic I'd say!!! Make sure you don't kick off when your boss gets there as you may land yourself in a lot of trouble no matter how stupid and trivial it is.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I am having a bit of trouble understanding that post Do.you.have.a.sticky.full.stop.key? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 these guys are little hitlers , they have some power and unless being absolute ar5seholes feel they arnt justifying theyre sad existance . but unfortunately you have to do what they say , sounds to me as there is a problem with your company and they just wanted the staff off site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbuddy Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yeh I'm going to be good !! I'm My phone, touch keypad, fat fingers! Haha. Well I'm still waiting on my boss. 1hour away! I could of been in the gym today or in mysupra! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I am having a bit of trouble understanding that post Same. Although if you look in new posts today it seems to be a trend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 just say nothing until he gets there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yeh I'm going to be good !! I'm My phone, touch keypad, fat fingers! Haha. Well I'm still waiting on my boss. 1hour away! I could of been in the gym today or in mysupra! Seems like a fair enough point to me though - if it states you're supposed to wear gloves on that particular site then can't you just wear some? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Make sure you don't kick off when your boss gets there as you may land yourself in a lot of trouble no matter how stupid and trivial it is.. extra homework or worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbuddy Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 Thing is I'm on price! made like 20quid lol, what a jokez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbuddy Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 Seems like a fair enough point to me though - if it states you're supposed to wear gloves on that particular site then can't you just wear some? I was wearing gloves. The same one that's in my method statement. They signed it also, Confused? Me tooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubbyTwo Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 total waste of time H&S, makes jobs overly comlicated, conversation I had last week over changing 3 light bulbs in one of the student training rooms at work, 3 normal bayonet light bulbs and probably an 8ft high ceiling: So im in the room, lights off, up the ladder taking the cover off a light: H&S busybody: "Excuse me, are you meant to be using the ladder? are you aware you cant use a ladder with out the appropraite training, and your not allowed to change lightbulbs as you need to be a qualitfied electrician to touch electrics" Me: " I will be sorted in 10 mins and the room will be cleared, only a few bulbs, im quite capable of doing this myself" H&S Rep "Please come down and clear the ladder away, your not trained to use the ladder, and its a H&S Risk" me: (still up the ladder) "Ok, can you then show me the correct way to use a ladder then please? i was unaware that simply going up and down using the rungs provided whilst leaning it against the wall was the norm." H&S Rep: "im affraid i cant show you how to properly use the ladder, im not trainded to give instructions just enforce policy. You will need to go on a training course, and until then im affraid the ladder is off limits" Me: "so you want me to pay a contractor £££££ to come in with their own ladder, to change a few light bulbs and proably have to wait weeks for it to be done, in which time under health and safety this roomnow cant be used for training students due to insufficent lighting (H&S) when i could do the whole lot in 10 mins." H&S Rep: "Im affraid under health and safety i cant allow you to perform maintenance tasks without the correct training, and thats final" seriously now, just ***k off and find something usefull to do. Jobsworths the lot of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Why weren't you wearing correct PPE for the site? I assume there were signs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Blame personal injury lawyers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 It's all insurance based. They have no choice but to follow the rules, if anything happens they get into serious bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbuddy Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 Lol I was wearing all the gear.boots hardhat. Hiviz gloves!! I propbably needed Kevlar. Yyerrrp that's the reason! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbuddy Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 He's an absolute arse . There foreman tried to fight it for me also. Ahh well poo happens. Supra time when I get home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 As Gaz said, blame the compensation culture where there always has to be someone else at fault, never the individual involved. Companies are petrified of being taken to court by personal injury lawyers, and the result is lots of @rse-covering red tape. Of course H&S does serve a useful purpose, but it's been corrupted into an anti-litigation department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozz Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 total waste of time H&S, makes jobs overly comlicated, conversation I had last week over changing 3 light bulbs in one of the student training rooms at work, 3 normal bayonet light bulbs and probably an 8ft high ceiling: So im in the room, lights off, up the ladder taking the cover off a light: H&S busybody: "Excuse me, are you meant to be using the ladder? are you aware you cant use a ladder with out the appropraite training, and your not allowed to change lightbulbs as you need to be a qualitfied electrician to touch electrics" Me: " I will be sorted in 10 mins and the room will be cleared, only a few bulbs, im quite capable of doing this myself" H&S Rep "Please come down and clear the ladder away, your not trained to use the ladder, and its a H&S Risk" me: (still up the ladder) "Ok, can you then show me the correct way to use a ladder then please? i was unaware that simply going up and down using the rungs provided whilst leaning it against the wall was the norm." H&S Rep: "im affraid i cant show you how to properly use the ladder, im not trainded to give instructions just enforce policy. You will need to go on a training course, and until then im affraid the ladder is off limits" Me: "so you want me to pay a contractor £££££ to come in with their own ladder, to change a few light bulbs and proably have to wait weeks for it to be done, in which time under health and safety this roomnow cant be used for training students due to insufficent lighting (H&S) when i could do the whole lot in 10 mins." H&S Rep: "Im affraid under health and safety i cant allow you to perform maintenance tasks without the correct training, and thats final" seriously now, just ***k off and find something usefull to do. Jobsworths the lot of them. Its towards a valid goal tho - my UK refineries have a zero harm policy and very good safety rate, neither possible without guidelines that are there to protect the individual as much as the business. Yes its a PITA to get anything done, but compare our record to the some of our sites in Brazil or Africa and you can clearly see the impact. Yes you felt you could do the job, but what if someone came running round the corner into your ladder - did you have someone holding the ladder? did you have signs up? Did you isolate electrics? I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Do you have an alibi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubbyTwo Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Its towards a valid goal tho - my UK refineries have a zero harm policy and very good safety rate, neither possible without guidelines that are there to protect the individual as much as the business. Yes its a PITA to get anything done, but compare our record to the some of our sites in Brazil or Africa and you can clearly see the impact. Yes you felt you could do the job, but what if someone came running round the corner into your ladder - did you have someone holding the ladder? did you have signs up? Did you isolate electrics? I doubt it. its a screw in light bulb.....Im hardly going to hunt out the mains board and turn the ring off. It was a small aluminium ladder, its hardly going to kill someone, the door was open, people could clearly see me. Its a class room not a building site otherwise i would understand, At a refinery I can understand, in an office however I cant. I give up with this country i really do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Most people don't realise but the law on health and safety states that the precautions taken must be "reasonably practicable". This means is it reasonable to the average person for such precautions to take place. In the case of the using the knife to do the job you were doing, would you say it's reasonable to have to wear the correct gloves? In the case of the changing the light bulbs, is it reasonable for you to have had training on the precautions you need to take with regards to the electricity? Also the "Working at heights" directive is pretty comprehensive so that would stipulate what training is / isn't required. The problem comes when the Health and Safety officer doesn't understand their responsibilities and their liabilities should an accident occur, so they become overzealous in their roles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purity14 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I asked an IT manager of some company the other day to consider giving up computers and concentrate on rainbows or something. It didnt go down too well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 its a screw in light bulb.....Im hardly going to hunt out the mains board and turn the ring off. It was a small aluminium ladder, its hardly going to kill someone, the door was open, people could clearly see me. Its a class room not a building site otherwise i would understand, At a refinery I can understand, in an office however I cant. I give up with this country i really do. Changing your bulb at home if you fall off the ladder it's an accident - A&E and it's over. At work you'd be able to claim from the company for not giving you training and not checking the ladder was safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubbyTwo Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Most people don't realise but the law on health and safety states that the precautions taken must be "reasonably practicable". This means is it reasonable to the average person for such precautions to take place. In the case of the using the knife to do the job you were doing, would you say it's reasonable to have to wear the correct gloves? In the case of the changing the light bulbs, is it reasonable for you to have had training on the precautions you need to take with regards to the electricity? Also the "Working at heights" directive is pretty comprehensive so that would stipulate what training is / isn't required. The problem comes when the Health and Safety officer doesn't understand their responsibilities and their liabilities should an accident occur, so they become overzealous in their roles. Exactly and this is the problem with ours. Is it practical to send an emplyee on a course on which electrics to touch and which not to? Or to work out what a safe high to work up to is? Personally this is all common sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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