JohnA Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 I took the time to make an 'active' diagram. The idea is that you click on the bit that looks cute and you see where it is located, or what it looks like in real life. I hope that others here will find it useful -- mods please feel free to link from the FAQ or the Members Extras. Since it's on my webspace it doesn't eat any bandwidth, and it will be enhanced slowly too. Please let me know if there are any errors, or if you have any better pictures that I could use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRALOOPY Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 can't get to your site let alone the page have been to your site before,server down??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 works for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 John thanks for taking the time to do this. I am sure members will find this very useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I took the time to make an 'active' diagram. The idea is that you click on the bit that looks cute and you see where it is located, or what it looks like in real life. I hope that others here will find it useful -- mods please feel free to link from the FAQ or the Members Extras. Since it's on my webspace it doesn't eat any bandwidth, and it will be enhanced slowly too. Please let me know if there are any errors, or if you have any better pictures that I could use. what about using real pictures? just an idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnA Posted June 29, 2005 Author Share Posted June 29, 2005 what about using real pictures? just an idea... ...how about pointing me towards real pictures I can use? They also need to orient the viewer as to where the component sits. (A picture of a real pressure tank will leave you none the wiser about the location, won't it?) This engine bay is intimidating for the uninitiated, and the more people are encouraged to snoop around their bays, the more likely it is to create + sustain a SupraTT cult. The alternative is supras being sold for a couple of grand in the (not so distant) future and being bought by chavs and teenagers with their pocket money before they hit the breakers. That's my take, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerotop Dave Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 What if there was an option to have the diagram or a real picture or a mix? So it loads up with the diagram and you can click on a button and it switches to a photo, and you can also click on another button that overlays a picture of a real engine bay in a sort of 'ghost' fashion? (so you can see both the photo and the diagram at the same time). I'm sure a Photoshopper could do this easily. (for complete amateurs like me a simple note of where the front of the car is would be useful!) It's a good idea - with a bit of development it could be a great one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 29, 2005 Author Share Posted June 29, 2005 Here's another one: How about a full-colour 3D representation of the engine bay, where you can move with your mouse up/down back/forth right/left and watch the components as they operate. Virtual airflow, depending on the engine load/rev conditions you're already set. That would be nice, wouldn't it? (reality check: I'm not a photoshopper mate, didn't even know how to make 'hotspots' until 2 days ago, lol...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 FYI some of those things point to the wrong components, you didn't read this and this closely enough. Apologies for no fancy image maps but you do get real pictures of an actual engine -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 29, 2005 Author Share Posted June 29, 2005 FYI some of those things point to the wrong components, that's why I posted this, so anybody who knows better will point out any mistakes. Which one is wrong then? Apologies for no fancy image maps but you do get real pictures of an actual engine Apologies accepted Do you object to me using any of these images then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerotop Dave Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 But what I'm saying wouldn't be complicated! Think about it - you move your mouse over a hot spot (or click a button) and it simply changes the picture from your diagram to the photo - that's all. If you want to go the 'ghost image' route (which would look great) you simply need to mix the two images together using Photoshop (no, I dunno how to do this, but lots of people on here can). Then when you press the button (or hover over the hot spot) it changes the image to the ghosted one. So we're simply talking about creating a mixed image, and then a bit of work to make a button press/hot spot change the image from the diagram to the photo or ghost photo/diagram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 You sound like lots of my customers Dave - "Well, it cannot be that hard to print a brochure can it? I mean it is only putting ink on paper" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 29, 2005 Author Share Posted June 29, 2005 But what I'm saying wouldn't be complicated! It wouldn't be complicated for a graphics designer. Which I'm not. I really only started my site to have a stab on web development, it really is very simple underneath, most is html. Think about it - you move your mouse over a hot spot (or click a button) and it simply changes the picture from your diagram to the photo - that's all. That would be my first choice as well dude, but it needs 'flash' coding, which I'm not familiar with. If you want to go the 'ghost image' route (which would look great) you simply need to mix the two images together using Photoshop (no, I dunno how to do this, but lots of people on here can). Then when you press the button (or hover over the hot spot) it changes the image to the ghosted one. That only works when the 'vacuum path' diagram can be superimposed to a picture of the real engine bay, which I don't think it can. Could you use this technique for a London Underground map/picture? Nope, because the tube diagram is deliberately skewed to aid clarity. Same as the pressure diag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerotop Dave Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Fair enough, I'll stop banging on about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxx Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 All these things are possible, i'm a graphic/web designer and technical illustrator and have done a lot of work like this. However this does take serious amounts of time especially if you're producing 3Dimensional models and animations, this would be cool but the work envolved would mean it would be literally a full time job! Overlaying illustrations and photos only works if the views match perfectly in the first place so you'd have to take photos to match the illustrations or draw new illustrations to match the photos. What's been done works quite well from what I can see, perhaps highlighting the hotspots would help a little but I think many people will find this a useful little tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 29, 2005 Author Share Posted June 29, 2005 All these things are possible, i'm a graphic/web designer and technical illustrator and have done a lot of work like this. However this does take serious amounts of time especially if you're producing 3Dimensional models and animations, this would be cool but the work envolved would mean it would be literally a full time job! Thanks for the support bro, looks like I should give The People a full refund, eh? (didn't get their money's worth, daaaaaaamn) Overlaying illustrations and photos only works if the views match perfectly in the first place so you'd have to take photos to match the illustrations or draw new illustrations to match the photos.: In my view that would be a complete and utter waste of time --- even what I've done is a bit overkill, IanC's posts are more than adequate frankly... What's been done works quite well from what I can see, perhaps highlighting the hotspots would help a little but I think many people will find this a useful little tool. The idea is that there should be no need to highlight any hotspots, since everything should me mapped. (there's only 2-3 places without hotspots, one is the airbox. If one doesn't know where the airbox is, then no fancy diagram will help them...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Exhaust Gas Control Valve on the drawing is linked to the front turbo wastegate, and is incorrect. Possibly others, just had a very quick look. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I think it's good. Nice one John. Anything that helps people understand the engine bay is a good thing. If it's uploaded into the technical area, then people can see both John's schematic diagrams and also actual photos of the engine, which is a cost-effective way of showing a lot of info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 29, 2005 Author Share Posted June 29, 2005 Exhaust Gas Control Valve on the drawing is linked to the front turbo wastegate, and is incorrect. Possibly others, just had a very quick look. Cheers. I don't follow you Chris.!? In the diagram, the EGCV is only linked to the EGCV VSV, and that is only linked to the pressure tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxx Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I think you miss understood what I was trying to say about the 3Dimensional stuff, yes it would look cool, but as you say would be completely pointless. I hope you did take what I was saying the wrong way, I think what you've done is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 29, 2005 Author Share Posted June 29, 2005 ...I hope you did take what I was saying the wrong way, I think what you've done is great. thanks mate, I'm just messing about I don't take things as seriously as others do. It's only the internet, if someone doesn't like it, they can filter it out, eh? I've added a few more hotspots, hope to give people bang for their buck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatSport Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 and the more people are encouraged to snoop around their bays, the more likely it is to create + sustain a SupraTT cult. The alternative is supras being sold for a couple of grand in the (not so distant) future and being bought by chavs and teenagers with their pocket money before they hit the breakers. Nightmare Scenario Our saving grace is the group 20 loading for these wingnuts Sorry, but the sight of one of those `mecanno set` rear wings is enough to wind me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I don't follow you Chris.!? In the diagram, the EGCV is only linked to the EGCV VSV, and that is only linked to the pressure tank. By linked I meant when you click on the EGCV piccie it "links" IT wise, to the wrong thing on the other drawing. Not linked as in the pneumatic / electronic wiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 29, 2005 Author Share Posted June 29, 2005 By linked I meant when you click on the EGCV piccie it "links" IT wise, to the wrong thing on the other drawing.. Gotcha now Indeed the EGCV actuator and Valve pics were incorrect. Fixed now. Thanks Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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