Japans on road to recovery after quake

[Dnk]

The photos were taken from 2 differant places on the rd, the distance to the rd sign and electric pylon kind of give it away

[Scott]

Depends how you define it, I suppose. I'm merely referring to the fact that we've been hyperlinked to it on this internet forum

 

 

 

I understand your point totally.. just I'm very cynical, and tend to question almost everything I see or hear that is released via media channels. I concede that this is indeed possible, especially if the road in question is of strategic importance for infrastructure (for example).

 

I'm exactly the same in that sense. I query everything about everything, not just the media, you may have noticed

 

If it was a couple of pictures thrown up on an internet forum I would definitely think they were fake. I wouldn't have looked at the timescale though, more the photoshop angle to be honest. This is the reason I posted up the link to the guardian, just to show that it was indeed a piece of journalism that went on and not just a couple of hokey pics from a-n-other.

 

I can't say 100% that the story is true, or unexagerated. All I can say is that I find it perfectly plausible and I can't see anything in the pictures that would suggest otherwise. Based on this I believe the story to be true. The discussion has, basically, been based around the pictures, but they have to be viewed from the right perception to have an informed opinion on them. If Al still thinks they are fake then fair enough, all I ask is that he takes a look for the proper "angle". At first glance midweek I thought they looked a little ropey, until of course I realised the different perspectives of the road. The LHS of the picture gives a far better representation of the perspective than the right side does.

[supra steveo]

wow isnt it so clear to see what they have done here ?

 

they have move the sign, the pylon and the tree 20 foot back, also they have used miracle grow on the trees on the right and maybe have given the bushes a little trim too in some parts, yes these pics are 6 days apart, the guy in the picture is 6 years older now but dont worry about him he has a medical condition, poor guy i think we should start up a new fund raising scheme for that poor guy so he can go swim with dolphins and stuff

 

i have got a bigger question tho about these pics that came from ove 5K miles away

 

 

Q: who gives a rats ass

[Scott]

wow isnt it so clear to see what they have done here ?

 

they have move the sign, the pylon and the tree 20 foot back, also they have used miracle grow on the trees on the right and maybe have given the bushes a little trim too in some parts, yes these pics are 6 days apart, the guy in the picture is 6 years older now but dont worry about him he has a medical condition, poor guy i think we should start up a new fund raising scheme for that poor guy so he can go swim with dolphins and stuff

 

i have got a bigger question tho about these pics that came from ove 5K miles away

 

 

Q: who gives a rats ass

 

 

People who care about others surprisingly, especially during a national disaster.

 

There are some right insensitive twats on this forum. FFS the death toll is over 10k, little wins like that road are needed to keep the survivors scavenging for their lives holding on.

[Abz]

Ahh, so you didn't notice the difference in distance then.

 

The bits you have circled aren't the same trees bud. That is the reason you think they are years apart, you can tell far easier from the opposite side of the road.

 

I've attached the pictures that actually show the trees to compare, the mass that you have circled is mostly on the foreground of the picture, if you look closely you can see there is a large gap between the 2 batches of growth.

 

 

IMO they are very capable of doing that sort of work, you will find it was worked on for 24 hours with non-UK workers which means they got the finger out and threw out the "risk assesment" red tape crap that the road workers here all have to go through.

 

15 mins it takes to cover up a pothole in Sweeden, seems to take around 3 days here... including the risk assessment. Just because we couldn't do it doesn't mean it can't be done elsewhere.

 

Darn, you beat me to it, I was going to make use of my MS Paint skills!

 

While I'm sure it is *possible*, I tend not to believe anything like this (i.e. unverified) from internet sources unless it was posted with the Exif data from the camera(s).

 

edit: for example:

 

I think you'd find one lot of the pictures were maybe taken on a simple digi compact Andrew.

 

People who care about others surprisingly, especially during a national disaster.

 

There are some right insensitive twats on this forum. FFS the death toll is over 10k, little wins like that road are needed to keep the survivors scavenging for their lives holding on.

If their was a 'like' button, I'd use it here.

[supra steveo]

People who care about others surprisingly, especially during a national disaster.

 

There are some right insensitive $#@!s on this forum. FFS the death toll is over 10k, little wins like that road are needed to keep the survivors scavenging for their lives holding on.

 

first off i am going to say is i dont give a rats ass about the age difference of these pics

 

the next thing is that UK forces have deployed to the area to stop an even bigger disaster taking place, shame i am not on the team that went, i feel a little anoyed that we didnt send a bigger team to help out

[Abz]

first off i am going to say is i dont give a rats ass about the age difference of these pics

 

the next thing is that UK forces have deployed to the area to stop an even bigger disaster taking place, shame i am not on the team that went, i feel a little anoyed that we didnt send a bigger team to help out

That's because we sent the rest out to Libya!

 

That's more important obviously than a huge natural disaster from a country which provides us with everything.

[supra steveo]

well it seems to me its the RAF and the Navy's game at the minute they dont want an all out war by deploying land troops shame i could of done with a nice suntan

and i would of much rather went to Japan to help out here

[Scott]

first off i am going to say is i dont give a rats ass about the age difference of these pics

 

the next thing is that UK forces have deployed to the area to stop an even bigger disaster taking place, shame i am not on the team that went, i feel a little anoyed that we didnt send a bigger team to help out

 

My apologies, I read it differently.

 

I stand by my comment though, just not aimed with you included

[supra steveo]

no i agree my point here is who cares about the pics, the bigger picture is that this country needs help and we should be doing more as this country going 'man down' for a week is going to effect the world massively

[Al Massey]

Ahh, so you didn't notice the difference in distance then.

 

The bits you have circled aren't the same trees bud. That is the reason you think they are years apart, you can tell far easier from the opposite side of the road.

 

I've attached the pictures that actually show the trees to compare, the mass that you have circled is mostly on the foreground of the picture, if you look closely you can see there is a large gap between the 2 batches of growth.

 

Not ganging up here Al, but in the final analysis I agree with Scott regarding the distance being different etc...and those trees are therefor different. However I don't actually know, it's just my opinion.

 

Although Sdistc has a point regarding the origin and the reliability of the information.

 

The photos were taken from 2 differant places on the rd, the distance to the rd sign and electric pylon kind of give it away

 

 

You really think i didnt notice they were taken from different distances?

 

And you dont need to look at the pylons on the other side of the road, just look at the trees i circled and oh guess what in one picture you can see the tops of the trees and the other you cant

 

And do you really think that 10ft will make a difference on a straight road to hiding those trees?

 

Its a straight road, so the angle is practically the same just the distance

 

In the small picture that clump of trees now circled in yellow are at 15ft further down the road

And in the bigger picture again circled in yellow is part of the same cluster of trees

 

It really isnt hard to see that the distances does not make a difference at that angle

 

And if you dont believe me try navigating round salisbury plain using the terrain and judging distances to work out where you are and where you are going.

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if your still not convinced

 

Look at the tops of the trees at all the heights in both photos and the way the trees stand

[Pete]

It never ceases to amaze me what you lot will have an argument about.

[Scott]

You really think i didnt notice they were taken from different distances?

 

And you dont need to look at the pylons on the other side of the road, just look at the trees i circled and oh guess what in one picture you can see the tops of the trees and the other you cant

 

And do you really think that 10ft will make a difference on a straight road to hiding those trees?

 

Its a straight road, so the angle is practically the same just the distance

 

In the small picture that clump of trees now circled in yellow are at 15ft further down the road

And in the bigger picture again circled in yellow is part of the same cluster of trees

 

It really isnt hard to see that the distances does not make a difference at that angle

 

And if you dont believe me try navigating round salisbury plain using the terrain and judging distances to work out where you are and where you are going.

 

 

 

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=129083&stc=1&d=1301152268

 

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=129084&stc=1&d=1301152268

 

 

And if your still not convinced

 

Look at the tops of the trees at all the heights in both photos and the way the trees stand

 

 

You seriously think there is 15 feet between those trees? The photo is taken about 100 feet closer, I would say there is at least 50 feet between both sets of trees.

 

Agree to disagree though, as apparently you are the expert. However, that first set of trees must be giant redwoods if they are only 15 feet away from the 2nd set.

 

In fact, you know what. I'm off to show you how wrong you are, expert or not.... back in a bit

 

 

Edit:

 

Now in the following example I have taken VERY modist estimates to the actual gapping and I haven't taken account the fact that the fence is collapsed, there would be at least 1 more railing between the trees if they weren't toppled over.

 

[Al Massey]

Infact ive done it for you

check out the green line

 

[Al Massey]

Sorry metres not feet

[Scott]

Infact ive done it for you

check out the green line

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=129085&stc=1&d=1301152626

 

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=129086&stc=1&d=1301152626

 

 

Eh? In the first picture you have drawn a straight line across the first 3 trees nearest the road, in the 2nd pic you have drawn an angular line covering from the 3rd tree on.

 

I don't get your point?

 

Make that 4 trees level, with the last one contributing to the angle of the latter 3.

 

 

Same here though

[Al Massey]

You seriously think there is 15 feet between those trees? The photo is taken about 100 feet closer, I would say there is at least 50 feet between both sets of trees.

 

Agree to disagree though, as apparently you are the expert. However, that first set of trees must be giant redwoods if they are only 15 feet away from the 2nd set.

 

In fact, you know what. I'm off to show you how wrong you are, expert or not.... back in a bit

 

 

Edit:

 

Now in the following example I have taken VERY modist estimates to the actual gapping and I haven't taken account the fact that the fence is collapsed, there would be at least 1 more railing between the trees if they weren't toppled over.

 

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=129087&stc=1&d=1301152952

 

And what does your pic prove?

That the Nearer trees block the veiw of the further away trees?

 

 

But i am starting to question my own sanity now lol

 

Too many nights shifts

[Al Massey]

Make that 4 trees level, with the last one contributing to the angle of the latter 3.

 

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=129088&stc=1&d=1301153370

 

Same here though

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=129089&stc=1&d=1301153370

 

Yeah starting to see that now on a better picture

God i need glasses i think

My bad

[Scott]

Meh, easy done

 

I need glasses after staring at those pics all day lol.

[supra steveo]

if there was ever a time we needed a face palm smiley .......... now is that time

[Pete]

I've analysed those images and uncovered something hidden in them.

The REAL reason Japan is in a mess?

They seem to have a real problem with these critters...I thought foxes were a PITA.

[sdistc]

I think you'd find one lot of the pictures were maybe taken on a simple digi compact Andrew.

All digital cameras (i.e. all jpeg/tiff/giff) use EXIF as part of the file

[Abz]

All digital cameras (i.e. all jpeg/tiff/giff) use EXIF as part of the file

 

Didn't know that! I thought just the DSLR's held this data! Take it then mobile phones camera's would hold this data too then.

[RobD]

I think it's a believable story, checking the pics you can see the cement and some sand looks fresh, plus looks like they've put a concrete slope in now.

 

I'm glad they're going things sorted quickly, being a small country I was a bit sceptical about how long it would take them to recover, but after seeing those ( if are real) then it won't be long!

[Konrad]

I just wanted to add comment to both pics and discussion - side you are focusing on might be a bit moved during repair works, that's why some bushes are missing etc. Focus on left side, next to massive green info sign - all bushes left from this sing looks exactly the same on both pics, so I recon those was made in short period of time.

 

About Japanese people and disaster itself: I'm absolutely amazed by their stoic way of taking it all, such a calm and discipline, lines to get water and food, living in cold etc.

Now look at Haiti's earthquake - was it week or 2 after distater when armed gangs was robbing aid convoys and killing/raping? Says something about nation eh?