mellonman Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 yeah good post shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Whilst everyone gets excited at the pseudo-wealth in the economy when house prices are increasing, and everyone seems desparate for house prices to keep climbing (for some bizarre reason), what has seemingly gone under the radar is what that means to housing benefits. If house prices double, the value of provided housing also doubles. Therefore, those who have provided housing are doubly less inclined to do anything (like going to work) that loses that value. I remember the example which was in the media (I'm guessing the Daily Mail? ) a couple of years back of the guy with 8 kids who had a provided 5 bedroom house. He had calculated he needed a salary of something like £60k to justify going back to work (from a purely monetary perspective). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 No, I enjoy giving £15k of my salary each year to the government. At least they are putting it to something useful, like err invading another country when we have no money. I presume there is no civillians being murdered by Mugabe these days. They seriously need to put a cap on benefits, I have seen people turning up in new BMW's to collect their cheques! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 I think popping more sprogs out is one way in which dossers seem to increase their benefits. It's probably not the money-spinner that the Daily Mail makes it out to be, but for someone who has kids already (thereby has all the equipment, prams, pushchairs, toys, old clothes, etc) having another would only increase the food bill and probably not much else. I'd love the budget to include caps on child benefit so that it only ever applies for the first one, possibly 2 children. I know people who keep popping 'em out, neither parent has ever had a job, so it's pretty obvious they can't support their kids without state help. Hell, they wouldn't be able to support themselves alone without state help. That would be harsh on the people who have large families, then fall on hard times (lose their job, etc etc). But people should need to be bloody sure they can support a large family before having one. If you're not sure, keep using the Durex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD DAN Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 charity starts at home, i feel that we shouldnt force our countries believes on countries that may not be evolved enough to be sivel about it, the rebels out there could easy kill gaddafi if they worked together, im not saying its right what he is doing but we should keep our nose out of other people bussiness. if they didnt have oil we would not be helping FACT! dont see libya helping us out with how our countrys run ?? lol charity does start at home i agree and we should get our shit straight first before rapeing the arse out of middle class workers to give the lazy and the greesdy an easy ride dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 I think popping more sprogs out is one way in which dossers seem to increase their benefits. It's probably not the money-spinner that the Daily Mail makes it out to be, but for someone who has kids already (thereby has all the equipment, prams, pushchairs, toys, old clothes, etc) having another would only increase the food bill and probably not much else. I'd love the budget to include caps on child benefit so that it only ever applies for the first one, possibly 2 children. I know people who keep popping 'em out, neither parent has ever had a job, so it's pretty obvious they can't support their kids without state help. Hell, they wouldn't be able to support themselves alone without state help. That would be harsh on the people who have large families, then fall on hard times (lose their job, etc etc). But people should need to be bloody sure they can support a large family before having one. If you're not sure, keep using the Durex. Good point Stevie. Think they should profile them, so if you have worked 5 years or so and contributed then you can claim benefits. What about the people who never claim benefits, surely they should be entitled to something when they retire? Oh yeah, a tax bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanc Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Solution? No work = no benefits Seriously though, how much and how long someone claims benefits (due to unemployment) should be limited to how much he/she has put in and not a never ending pot. Housing benefits should only affect the individual so if a single mom has 3 kids only them can live in the property (if kids under 18) and no one else! If you have more kids you need to reapply and get back to the queue and not being insta promoted to bigger house everytime you pop a baby. This will probably make them think twice or maybe consider proper contraception! Sorry for the rant, taking my 5 min lunch at work and wishing I could be out there enjoying the sunshine instead. edit: I have been on JA for a brief time and it was hellish for me to even get a single cent. Maybe I was too honest answering questions. I bet those who live a life of luxury on benefits are lying when they apply! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 I get annoyed with all the people I have on Facebook that I know aren't in work and aren't looking for work and they just comment on there about the people on "Jezza" and about how they're out enjoying the sunshine or "getting wrecked at da pub". Lazy bastards.. Edit: Most of them are lazy students (as least they're bettering themselves and will put back into society once their courses are over) but a few I know are just sitting at home on the dole enjoying an easy life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Solution? No work = no benefits Seriously though, how much and how long someone claims benefits (due to unemployment) should be limited to how much he/she has put in and not a never ending pot.Housing benefits should only affect the individual so if a single mom has 3 kids only them can live in the property (if kids under 18) and no one else! If you have more kids you need to reapply and get back to the queue and not being insta promoted to bigger house everytime you pop a baby. This will probably make them think twice or maybe consider proper contraception! Sorry for the rant, taking my 5 min lunch at work and wishing I could be out there enjoying the sunshine instead. edit: I have been on JA for a brief time and it was hellish for me to even get a single cent. Maybe I was too honest answering questions. I bet those who live a life of luxury on benefits are lying when they apply! That's what I thought, but after 6 months of JSA I now get feck-all, despite paying taxes for the last 20 years. When my wife was made redundant, we got £102 a week to live on. Now it might seem like a middle class whinge, but the only way to get by on that would be to sell our house and the cars and live in rented accommodation, effectively losing everything we have worked for. But, as you say, we were honest in filling out the forms and have no kids to claim for either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 That's what I thought, but after 6 months of JSA I now get feck-all, despite paying taxes for the last 20 years. When my wife was made redundant, we got £102 a week to live on. Now it might seem like a middle class whinge, but the only way to get by on that would be to sell our house and the cars and live in rented accommodation, effectively losing everything we have worked for. But, as you say, we were honest in filling out the forms and have no kids to claim for either. You need to adopt 3 kids and say you have 7 Disguesting considering you have put into the country for the last 20 years. I calcuated by the time I retire I would have most proberly put in (over 40 years) £400,000 in taxes & maybe another £100,000 in VAT etc. When I retire (depending if I make it to retirement), I'll most likely get £70 a week! Now that is scary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyb10supra Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 I have mixed views on this. I live in a part of essex where a lot of folk were moved out of london and given a cash incentive to do so and a considerable amount. Most of these people now living in my area can be seen driving top of the range BMW's, range rovers and mercs which you know damn well its from the money they were given to move with which I feel is totally unfair as do a lot of people in my area. However my view is that this will all catch up with people eventually, the country is literally a ticking time bomb of debt....all these people driving these expensive cars and maxing out credit cars rarely have a pot to pi$$ in although it doesn't show on the outside, and it will soon catch up with them believe me. Britain thinks it has a debt problem now......wait another 25-30 years and see what its like. As for benifits, you have to remember although it may look rosey, all we see is the media view of how things are, and its made to look like a walk in the park for these people. A few people get lucky and get a nice place, but its not their's and they can be moved around any time so there is no certainty of there future. I wouldn't fancy that when im old and retired and certainly wouldn't want to play russian roulette now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 You know, I've mulled this topic over in my head many times (!!!) and I've worked out what I think is the root cause after considering all variables. The fact that these doley pikey scumbags get a vote - that's why our governments continue to pander to them and nothing much ever changes.... Therefore the solution is to take away the right to vote from benefit claimants. It's so simple it's beautiful. Then we can make sure that benefits are never a more attractive proposition to working and really cut benefits to a bare minimum. Why should we have to import a bunch of poles to do the menial low paid jobs that our benefits claimants are too lazy to do? They'd damned well hand clean my car if it meant it was their only route to putting food in the bellys of their 5 kids... And whilst we're on it, WTF should we ever consider the right of a Prisoner to vote??!? You commit a crime that gets you imprisoned then you have shown you don't care about society so why should society care about you or your vote. Anyone in for tDR's Britain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyb10supra Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 .... Therefore the solution is to take away the right to vote from benefit claimants. It's so simple it's beautiful. ) Im in for TRD's brighter britain. However, I love the idea, although im sure that lovely human rights act will get brought up Oh what a great move that was signing that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 If you're fit to work and choose not to you are a drain on society and therefore have no rights. You will be told your rights by the government who will create policy for such things that will be both fair but harsh and this policy will be designed to get you working. You don't comply you don't get payouts. Now clean my car you lazy b%"£% ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozz Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 You know, I've mulled this topic over in my head many times (!!!) and I've worked out what I think is the root cause after considering all variables. The fact that these doley pikey scumbags get a vote - that's why our governments continue to pander to them and nothing much ever changes.... Therefore the solution is to take away the right to vote from benefit claimants. It's so simple it's beautiful. Then we can make sure that benefits are never a more attractive proposition to working and really cut benefits to a bare minimum. Why should we have to import a bunch of poles to do the menial low paid jobs that our benefits claimants are too lazy to do? They'd damned well hand clean my car if it meant it was their only route to putting food in the bellys of their 5 kids... And whilst we're on it, WTF should we ever consider the right of a Prisoner to vote??!? You commit a crime that gets you imprisoned then you have shown you don't care about society so why should society care about you or your vote. Anyone in for tDR's Britain? Is that right tho? I thought this current government had made more promises than ever to try and deal with the benefits issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 IIRC benefits reform is coming into effect next year. I can't remember any details though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 It's always politically fashionable to make such promises. The last government did the same and the Tory government before that. Nothing really changed - why? They need the vote of the benefit claimants so don't want to risk another party stealing a march on them by being seen as more benefit claimant friendly. Think of it as another incentive to work - you get your voice back and are allowed to vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biguns Posted March 23, 2011 Author Share Posted March 23, 2011 I'm up for tdr,s new Britain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 tDR for PM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 When the benefit reforms come in, crime will rocket and we don't have enough Police to deal with the probelm. The country is fubarred from top to bottom..!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 When i first moved out and got my own place that needed alot of work. My Mrs came home crying as she went to see a friend, whom had just moved into a 3 bedroom semi house, newly built, fitted kitchen, 30 foot fenced garden and block paved drive, Dining room ect. Why i hear you ask did she get this house? She didnt work and has a kid. Life isnt fair. Deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 When the benefit reforms come in, crime will rocket and we don't have enough Police to deal with the probelm. The country is fubarred from top to bottom..!! Nah high crime and more police is the tory way - only a matter of time 'til they start adding extra policing. At their core is to have classes in society - this helps with clear class distinctions. I'm in no way involved in politics BTW, just observations fuelled by ever increasing taxation and cost of living in my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 And whilst we're on it, WTF should we ever consider the right of a Prisoner to vote??!? THATS the root cause of Britains problems. Bleeding heart liberals demanding votes for criminals, not clamping down on immigration etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 The more wasters on unemployment means those who do work get taxed more. I was unemployed for a year and lived off savings, no benefits. It was as boring as fuck. Glad to go back to work. Which was still boring but not as much and kept me busy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 also how the fu3k can prisoners have the vote, they only have done that to get votes on there side human rights my ars3 i have jhad a friend who went away and i asked him what he was doing last week when he got out and he said playing golf !!!!! his prison had a golf corse !!! one of my dads friends how went into prison for carrying automatic weapons after 2 years was in a open prison with a drive that he could come and go as he pleased and actually said the living conditions of the prison was better then the road my mum and dad lived on !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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