RedM Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Libya produces only about 2 percent of the world's oil. True but Italy and France (along with China) use Libyan oil more than any other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I suppose it would be okay to stand by and watch innocent civilians be slaughtered. I think you guys have been paying too much attention to Morpheus If we didn't go in, you'd all be moaning about how we stood by and let people die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 If we didn't go in, you'd all be moaning about how we stood by and let people die. We've stood idly by already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD DAN Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 In all honesty you would have to be blind not to see it coming how true one of the biggest oil reserves in the world and we give them lockerbie chap , yeh right they shoyuld of known they was gonna get it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 We've stood idly by already Only because of how much flak was given over how Iraq and Afghan were handled. In our gov's defence, they've been trying to get this rushed through as quickly as they could. The blame for how long it's taken sits firmly with the UN, not the UK. I'd love to hear some constructive suggestions as to how situations like this should be handled, instead of the usual "Blah blah blah, oil, Blah, greed, Blah, we shouldn't get involved etc" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD DAN Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 it is for the oil , it is for the greed , and everyone thinks we shouldnt get involved , what else is there ?? dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 It's incredibly, massively difficult for other countries to intervene in political unrest so I can understand their reluctance to get involved. Assuming you otherthrow the incumbent government, you create a power vacuum and genuine anarchy unless you replace it with something. So what do you replace it with? The American model of democracy? That's far from perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 it is for the oil , it is for the greed , and everyone thinks we shouldnt get involved , what else is there ?? dan If you genuinely have such little faith in humanity, I really pity you. Besides which, i'd love to see how wer're supposed to seize their oil assets with nothing but aeroplanes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 It looks as if it's working, for now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8390550/Libya-ceasefire-declared-in-wake-of-UN-resolution.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 It's incredibly, massively difficult for other countries to intervene in political unrest so I can understand their reluctance to get involved. Assuming you otherthrow the incumbent government, you create a power vacuum and genuine anarchy unless you replace it with something. So what do you replace it with? The American model of democracy? That's far from perfect. I'm not even going to say 'at least the American government doesn't kill its own people'. I know exactly what i'd be in for Seriously though, the Libyan people have asked for assistance. We have a responsibility to assist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 If you genuinely have such little faith in humanity, I really pity you. Besides which, i'd love to see how wer're supposed to seize their oil assets with nothing but aeroplanes From Tutsi killing Hutus, to serbs/croats , Sudan to south america , there is a history of sitting back and doing nothing ... why would you have faith in humanity, unless its oil driven humanity it dont count , Despots cover the globe and are tolerated even made friends ... You can bet there is already a no fly zone around the oil wells!! Ive seen too much to rely on humanity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 If you genuinely have such little faith in humanity, I really pity you. Besides which, i'd love to see how wer're supposed to seize their oil assets with nothing but aeroplanes Uh-huh. Nothing to do with oil at all. That's why the UN have been straight in and sorted out Mugabe and the atrocities which he has performed - oh no, wait - they haven't. He hasn't got any natural resources, has he. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD DAN Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 If you genuinely have such little faith in humanity, I really pity you. Besides which, i'd love to see how wer're supposed to seize their oil assets with nothing but aeroplanes no need to pity me , sad thing is there are already some of our troops there (not sure on numbers) , this is where it will all start only time time will tell but im pretty sure oil is high on there agenda, planes is probably because they realised they cant win wars on the ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Am I the only one who thinks these tribal regions are best managed by a dictator for overall stability? We fiddled about in Iraq and from a country where one might holiday with the family it has gone to a dangerous, Godforsaken hole with the factions Saddam successfully,if ruthlessly kept apart, back at one another's throats. People shout the "O" word in response to why we meddle, I shout the "I" word, my personal view is Israel, with all her global influence, fears these places, and wants control by proxy. The oil is a nice addendum, but given the incumbent people can't use it all themselves, they are surely happy to sell it? I see little change in oil price hikes, now we have taken Iraq, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Oh - we can't use all the oil either, but we sure would like it to be us, rather than Gadafi, who gets to sell it to China. (and when I say "us", I mean western companies, unfortunately not "us" as countries ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Am I the only one who thinks these tribal regions are best managed by a dictator for overall stability? - You have obviously never been to the sharp end and seen what this means to everyday people on a daily basis - "Incumbents" all over the world have surplus , from cotton ,to bananas,copper, and tobacco , Who do you think controls all this ? sets prices ? owns the companies ,and bungs the despots in charge? I was working in Africa during one of the worst droughts, the Maize corn crops were all dead ,and yet the tobacco fields were beautifully green and watered ,Im sure the locals would have been happier to eat ,rather than sell the cash crop , British American Tobacco werent too bothered , still had G and T at the golf club , with its beautiful greens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Oil probably is part of it, but I refuse to believe that is main reason why we're going. Isn't protecting our own interests important too? I'm sure everyone would be outraged if the price of oil increased exponentially. Once again though, I'd like to hear how these situations should be dealt with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Uh-huh. Nothing to do with oil at all. That's why the UN have been straight in and sorted out Mugabe and the atrocities which he has performed - oh no, wait - they haven't. He hasn't got any natural resources, has he. Except for probably the largest known diamond deposits in the world. Also, a no fly zone would do little good, it would involve sending in the troops. There's plenty of others higher up the pecking order for that. How long do you think the west will tolerate Iran directly funding int. terrorism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Erm - our companies (Rio Tinto?) already own a cr*p load of the Zimbabwean diamond mines. That's the difference. Don't want to stir up trouble there if it puts that interest at risk "unnecessarily" (what's a little bit of human rights amongst friends, heh?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 I imagine the night sky will be lit up like a xmas tree tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 I imagine the night sky will be lit up like a xmas tree tonight. You got that spot on! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12796972 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 So the whole UN and Arab League means. The US, UK, and A few French planes.......nice one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Gadaffi has been poking the big Bear with a stick, thinking he was asleep, so he used a bigger stick !! Now the big Bear is angry!!! The big Bear is gonna want some honey too!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Pretty sure you've heard about this, Tornado bombers have been launching from the UK to hit there targets, the longest bombing run since the Falklands conflict! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Pretty sure you've heard about this, Tornado bombers have been launching from the UK to hit there targets, the longest bombing run since the Falklands conflict! Why when we have a base in Gibraltar ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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