Major earthquake in Japan 8.9m

[caseys]

 

[edit] http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/

this is a very worthwhile read...

 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/14/fukushiima_analysis/

 

And this. I must admit much of the media is being very sensationalist and it's very very sad

 

I was looking at this earlier. What gets me is that it's not just a case of clearing up. There's the task of building entire towns to do too. Also, how will they even get cranes out to some of the boats, trains, trucks, cars and shipping containers that are in muddy, flooded fields? A logistical nightmare to follow on from the humanitarian one.

 

Just dismantle in-situ and remove.

[carpo]

ive just seen pics of the cars at ebisu most got away with only lightdamage very lucky people......id say the death toll will be very high when the city is cleaned up

[wile e coyote]

These guys in cornwall do a fantastic job and we will be buying and donating a shelterbox

http://www.shelterbox.org/donate.php

[Scott]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/14/fukushiima_analysis/

 

And this. I must admit much of the media is being very sensationalist and it's very very sad

 

 

 

Just dismantle in-situ and remove.

 

 

I have noticed a dramatic U-Turn in the news being reported up here. A few days back Chernobyl was getting mentioned, akin to the current crisis, in every other sentence.

 

Now they are reporting that there is no similarity between the two plants and that it will be nowhere near the same sort of catastophe as it was (as we have found out through various level headed people pointing out the facts).

 

It's shocking really. Surely they should be getting pulled up for false reporting? A lot of people outside of Japan are affected by this crisis, adding scaremongering to an already dire situation is.... well.. normal as far as most news media seems to go nowadays, but it shouldn't be going unpunished.

[hogmaw]

Just dismantle in-situ and remove.

 

 

Remove to WHERE? Japan isn't a very big place!

[RedM]

Just dismantle in-situ and remove.

 

How?

[Tyson]

How?

 

I think this one might be a bit harder to remove

 

[martini]

I have noticed a dramatic U-Turn in the news being reported up here. A few days back Chernobyl was getting mentioned, akin to the current crisis, in every other sentence.

 

Now they are reporting that there is no similarity between the two plants and that it will be nowhere near the same sort of catastophe as it was (as we have found out through various level headed people pointing out the facts).

 

It's shocking really. Surely they should be getting pulled up for false reporting? A lot of people outside of Japan are affected by this crisis, adding scaremongering to an already dire situation is.... well.. normal as far as most news media seems to go nowadays, but it shouldn't be going unpunished.

 

It's nothing like Chernobyl, it won't blow up and be like a dirty bomb. It's disgusting (the reporting). My parents are worried sick constantly, whilst I am going about my daily life here in Tokyo and going to the office each day.

 

Have a read:

 

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/03/japan-megaquake-update.html

 

https://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/

[RobD]

First the quake, then the tsunami, now the nuclear plants! When will it end

 

Some of the video's and pics are shocking, such a small island to!

 

I feel sorry for all those that lost there life there, terrible way to die I'm my eyes!

 

It's also not just the Japanese this will effect though, it's a world wide problem due to the import/exports of japan to other countries!

 

Jurgen what does this mean for you now? Must be very hard to get new cars in etc

[Chris Wilson]

Does anyone know if this is having a direct effect on Nissan and Toyota spares leaving Japan yet? Economically it could mean the exchange rate improves making parts and indeed cars cheaper to buy? I am sure there are many very astute business men and financiers plotting how turn the misery of the situation into a means of lining their pockets

[creative]

I saw an image today in the paper that really spoke volumes to me today.

 

It was a lady and her husband, kneeling next to an absolutly wrecked car gently stroking their daughters hair who had died inside. She was in a school car when the wave hit.

 

there were no screaming, no wailing, just 2 people comforting each other. It was this image that made me realised just how dignified the Japanese are being in dealing with this tragedy.

 

far to often you see on the news (in particular war news)of people screaming in the street, overcome by emotions and they want the world to see..... yet the Japanese people are not doing this when faced with a natural disaster of this scale! they are just getting on with it!

 

 

Im not wanting to offend anyone with this post but it has shown me a society that is dignified and capable.. I hope that makes sense!

[markylee]

I think this one might be a bit harder to remove

 

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/jpq031311/s_j27_RTR2JSRR.jpg

 

Jamies car and a tow rope, should shift that in no time

[Guigsy]

It's just the Japanese way. The south American countries seem to spend more time being angry and upset about these things. Not that they shouldn't

 

I assume the suicide rate in japan will go up. It's already high isn't it?

[Nick]

Sent to me by a mate in Japan:

 

BCCJ Members Update on Japan’s Nuclear Power station situation

 

March 15th 2011, 17.00

 

Telephone briefing from Sir John Beddington, the UK’s Chief Scientific adviser and Hilary Walker Deputy Director Emergency Preparedness at the Department of Health.

 

“Unequivocally, Tokyo will not be affected by the radiation fallout of explosions that have occurred or may occur at the Fukushima nuclear power stations.”

 

The danger area is limited to within the 30 kilometer evacuation zone and no one will be allowed to enter this area other than those directly involved in the emergency procedures currently being undertaken at both Fukushima 1 & 2.

 

Sir John went on to answer a series of questions including a comparison between Chernobyl and Japan. He said, “they are entirely different. Chernobyl exploded and there was a subsequent fire with radioactive materials being launched 30,000 ft into the air”. The maximum height of any Fukushima explosions would be no more than 500 metres.

 

“The amount of radiation that has been released is miniscule and would have to be in the order of 1,000 or more for it to be a threat to humans” This was confirmed by Hilary Walker.

 

Sir John went on to say that the Japanese authorities are doing their best to keep the reactors cooled and that this is a continuing operation. All workers on site dealing with the emergency are being fully decontaminated at the end of each shift.

 

When asked how reliable the information coming from the Japanese authorities was as to radiation levels he said, “this cannot be fabricated and the Japanese authorities are posting all the readings on the recognized international information sites which they are obliged to do. Independent verification shows that the data provided are accurate”.

 

In answer to a specific question from the Head of the BritishSchool in Tokyo, Sir John Beddington and Hilary Walker said that there was no reason at all for the school to be closed unless there were other issues such as power outages and transport problems.

 

David Fitton, First Minister at the British Embassy in Tokyo moderated the teleconference and confirmed that a transcript of the briefing will be available on the Embassy website later today.

 

BCCJ members are encouraged to check the Embassy website regularly as well as the Chamber website and Facebook sites for the latest information.

[caseys]

How?

 

Supports under both sides then take it apart. It's all just a matter of logistical effort on a large scale.

 

I think this one might be a bit harder to remove

 

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/jpq031311/s_j27_RTR2JSRR.jpg

 

Ditto to that, prop it up, start cutting. Or if the hull's intact just drag it out. Large ships like this were commonly dismantled after running them ashore in the 1800s for example Brunel's Great Western http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Great_Western (251ft, 1700 tons) was. Broken up at Castles' Yard, Millbank on the Thames literally on the bank, not in a shipbreaker's yard.

 

 

far to often you see on the news (in particular war news)of people screaming in the street, overcome by emotions and they want the world to see..... yet the Japanese people are not doing this when faced with a natural disaster of this scale! they are just getting on with it!

 

I agree, the solidarity in the ways they're dealing with some of this is admirable. I'm not quite so sure in the lack of requesting assistance from the IAEA and UN regarding the Fukushima situation though.

 

Still cursing the general media on the sensationalist way of reporting things - it can't be helping morale in many people there.

[caseys]

Also looks like the Japanese MotoGP will be suspended now too, probably not a big surprise considering many carriers are suspending flights in at the moment.

[LolaBoost94]

I saw an image today in the paper that really spoke volumes to me today.

 

It was a lady and her husband, kneeling next to an absolutly wrecked car gently stroking their daughters hair who had died inside. She was in a school car when the wave hit.

 

there were no screaming, no wailing, just 2 people comforting each other. It was this image that made me realised just how dignified the Japanese are being in dealing with this tragedy.

 

far to often you see on the news (in particular war news)of people screaming in the street, overcome by emotions and they want the world to see..... yet the Japanese people are not doing this when faced with a natural disaster of this scale! they are just getting on with it!

 

 

Im not wanting to offend anyone with this post but it has shown me a society that is dignified and capable.. I hope that makes sense!

 

The Japanese are very kind hearted people and also very respectful. They are patient with us Americans over there when at times, they shouldn't be. It's amazing to see a culture like this. So many times I've made the statement, I wish Americans could learn to act this way... be this way. I wrote a paper for college not too long ago on the culture of the Japanese and compared to Americans, they are saints. I freaked out when I saw a child, no older than say 6, walking home at the beginning of dusk by themselves. But it's safe! I'll be the first to say Americans are greedy and we can certainly learn a lot from the Japanese

[creative]

and now to top things off, it is now snowing in certain areas!

 

yet all I see is organised chaos... in respect to that all around them is chaos these people stand and que for water and food, no pushing, no shoving, no arguments... I have never taken an interest in japanese culture but I am definitely seeing a new found respect for them and how they deal with disaster!

[martini]

No looting either.

 

Not that you even need a disaster for an excuse to loot in Manchester...

 

I love it here. The UK have sent planes if we want to leave... at £600 a pop to only as far as Hong Kong.

 

Does nobody realise that we subject our bodies to more radiation from flying at altitude than we would do 80km from this buggered nuclear plant?

 

I am never paying a license fee again.

 

 

My heart goes out to those affected, and still affected, by the tsunami a week ago today.

[jagman]

Does anyone know if this is having a direct effect on Nissan and Toyota spares leaving Japan yet? Economically it could mean the exchange rate improves making parts and indeed cars cheaper to buy? I am sure there are many very astute business men and financiers plotting how turn the misery of the situation into a means of lining their pockets

 

the exact opposite , the yen is an all time high now - speculators pre empting the need for mucho dollars in imports to replace infrastructure, I would expect the whole JIT exports to falter for some time to come

[The Raven]

I saw an image today in the paper that really spoke volumes to me today.

 

It was a lady and her husband, kneeling next to an absolutly wrecked car gently stroking their daughters hair who had died inside. She was in a school car when the wave hit.

 

there were no screaming, no wailing, just 2 people comforting each other. It was this image that made me realised just how dignified the Japanese are being in dealing with this tragedy.

 

far to often you see on the news (in particular war news)of people screaming in the street, overcome by emotions and they want the world to see..... yet the Japanese people are not doing this when faced with a natural disaster of this scale! they are just getting on with it!

 

 

Im not wanting to offend anyone with this post but it has shown me a society that is dignified and capable.. I hope that makes sense!

 

While im not offened, i will have to point out that some of those people "screaming in the streets so the world can see" Probably just lost a sons daughters ect. Just because they dont scream and cry probably means they are in shock.

 

These people are as tough as it gets no question history shows us this. There will be no Looting, Stealing , Rape ect as seen in New Orleans.

 

The one that got me today was a hospital inside the zone. The doctors and nurses where told to leave, they have refused in order to stay with the sick. Even to the point they accepted they might die in order to do this.

 

If you want to see what these people can and will endure take a look at some WW2 footage, Just with the view to the culture. They where bombed into the ground. Yet still they where prepared to fight to the last man/women to defend the country beacuse they belived it was the right thing to do against an foe they knew they couldnt beat.

[jagman]

and now to top things off, it is now snowing in certain areas!

 

yet all I see is organised chaos... in respect to that all around them is chaos these people stand and que for water and food, no pushing, no shoving, no arguments... I have never taken an interest in japanese culture but I am definitely seeing a new found respect for them and how they deal with disaster!

 

And who dithered and faffed about at the begining of the nuclear incident , failed in basic safety checks ? wasted many hours evacuation time ? - the chiefs of the TEPCO plant should have been made to man the generators and pumps and get exposed - is it a Japanese trait not put your hands up and say its all going wrong and we need help now! ,rather than cover up ?

The press reporting has been real bad , but its an area they know little of and have been blowing hot and cold , between there is no real danger to the end of the world

There will be many questions after this is over and the scale of the mistakes will be massive , one huge natural diasaster is bad enough but the human one is far worse .

There are many long term effects of "radiation" and different materials , uranium.Plutonium,Caesium each have different effects on humans and in different quantities

There have been better ideas than putting 6 reactors next to each other ,so if one melts down , you cant get to the others due radiation , or storing radioactive materials in a reactor as its cheaper ?

[Nick]

Tepco used to be state run. Says it all really:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/mistakes-plagued-corporate-response/story-fn84naht-1226024311668

 

The Yakuza have been busy though:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-03-18/japanese-yakuza-aid-earthquake-relief-efforts/#

[creative]

And who dithered and faffed about at the begining of the nuclear incident , failed in basic safety checks ? wasted many hours evacuation time ? - the chiefs of the TEPCO plant should have been made to man the generators and pumps and get exposed - is it a Japanese trait not put your hands up and say its all going wrong and we need help now! ,rather than cover up ?

The press reporting has been real bad , but its an area they know little of and have been blowing hot and cold , between there is no real danger to the end of the world

There will be many questions after this is over and the scale of the mistakes will be massive , one huge natural diasaster is bad enough but the human one is far worse .

There are many long term effects of "radiation" and different materials , uranium.Plutonium,Caesium each have different effects on humans and in different quantities

There have been better ideas than putting 6 reactors next to each other ,so if one melts down , you cant get to the others due radiation , or storing radioactive materials in a reactor as its cheaper ?

 

 

 

ummmmm......... I have no idea as that wasnt my point.