Ian C Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Oh, OK, it fits through the hole, I guess I'm a sucker for unplugging stuff Christ I'm not getting many right today, what with magnetic pistons and all... -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrar Jabbar Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Definately a lot easier to disconnect the engine loom from the ECU, there's a few other plugs in the passenger side kick panel that will require disconnecting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest a71ak Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Hey Jake I'm sure there's some ones here just reading this thread and won't particepate thinking that the'll tell you there own secrets ... but don't worry I been there many times and know the answers : The way it should be done as follows: - I take the intake manifold off, radiator off, starter off, turbos off, and desconnect all the connectors and hoses from the engine and leave them in the car ... it's much easier to but them back later ... also you'll never go wrong because all the connectors are deferent from each other and will fit automatically to thier correct position .... -Undo the bill housing bolts. - Pull the engine forward off the gear box. -Take the engine out from the top. - this is the way most of the big garages doin it. The whole engine without the turbos and intake weighs 280kg The intake weight is 7.5kg ... Turbos 24 kg The V160 gearbox weighs 56.5kg without the clutch. I use a 1 ton hoist and it's more than enough just make sure it'll handle at least 500kg at full extend ... the crane boom should be about 1.5M long. Good luck mate !!! Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Jake if you want to borrow a lift I got one you can borrow ..if you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 27, 2005 Author Share Posted June 27, 2005 I take the intake manifold off, radiator off, starter off, turbos off, and desconnect all the connectors and hoses from the engine and leave them in the car ... it's much easier to but them back later ... also you'll never go wrong because all the connectors are deferent from each other and will fit automatically to thier correct position .... Thanks a lot Ali! Can I ask why you take the turbos and intake off while the engine is still in the car? Wouldn't it be much easier to remove those once the lump is out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 27, 2005 Author Share Posted June 27, 2005 Jake if you want to borrow a lift I got one you can borrow ..if you like. That's very kind of you Mig but you're too far away to make it practical. Thanks anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 That's very kind of you Mig but you're too far away to make it practical. Thanks anyway OK . But it's here if you want it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest a71ak Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 This the way I do it every time and it makes the removal of the engine much easier ... I have a single turbo though ...the intake is easy to be removed it's the stock twins which is the hastle, if you find them defecult for you just desconnect the DP and try to pull them together with the engine ... but I still recommend to remove the intake because this will give you more room to pull the engine off the gear box .. Cheers Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest a71ak Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Sorry my computer is getting me crazy ... just send by itself some times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Jake, I really think you should pull the engine/box ancilliaries in one lump. If you remove the turbo's /intake, you may as well remove the head without pulling the engine. When I removed my original twins to fit the single, it took me longer than pulling the whole lump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Charlie, When you pulled your twins with the engine in the bay, how many studs/bolts did you shear? That would be my biggest worry with exh parts that have baked together and not been disturbed for a long time. At least with the engine out you have more clearance and stand a chance to do a proper job. (slight tangent this, but relevant I think) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 28, 2005 Author Share Posted June 28, 2005 Jake, I really think you should pull the engine/box ancilliaries in one lump. If you remove the turbo's /intake, you may as well remove the head without pulling the engine. When I removed my original twins to fit the single, it took me longer than pulling the whole lump! The main thing that concerns me about that Charlie is getting hold of a hoist that can lift the engine and gearbox out together. I guess I'd need a hoist that can lift the engine very high for the gearbox to clear the front of car. What's the best thing to do with the AirCon? Should I just undo the pipes and let the gas out, or can I remove the PAS pump from the engine in situ and keep all the gas in the system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest a71ak Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 No you don't open the AirCon pipes, you just undo the bolts holding the compressor to the engine and move the compressor forward near the battery position and tie it with a big tie-wrap or steel wire , it'll will move easy because it has long flexable pipes ... you do the same with the PS pump ... I did my engine many times never had to add AC gas or PS fluid. Gd luck !! Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Charlie, When you pulled your twins with the engine in the bay, how many studs/bolts did you shear? That would be my biggest worry with exh parts that have baked together and not been disturbed for a long time. At least with the engine out you have more clearance and stand a chance to do a proper job. (slight tangent this, but relevant I think) Think I was lucky, as had no sheared studs etc, but had to apply some heat to the tricky ones. Have to say, I would ALWAYS pull the engine for a head off job and its very close timewise even for removing tt's. Probably my age, but hate working under/over a car, so much easier (and cleaner) working on a bench/engine stand. Didn't have the aircon problem as i dumped mine years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedlam Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Pull the loom from the ecu or you'll end up with something like this... http://bedders.bulldoghome.com/photos/BDRES/bedders_bulldoghome_com/wires.jpg And the aircon and power steering pump as said before can just be hooked outta the way..this was on a soraer but it aint much diff to the supra.. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Think I was lucky' date=' as had no sheared studs etc, but had to apply some heat to the tricky ones. Have to say, I would ALWAYS pull the engine for a head off job and its very close timewise even for removing tt's. [/quote'] So when I have to remove the TTs for the first time it would be worth lifting the whole engine then? Yikes, I could get the calibra's turbo off and back again in 1.5 hour (my record ) Probably my age, but hate working under/over a car, so much easier (and cleaner) working on a bench/engine stand. I ain't no spring chicken either, and bending over this goddam wide bay, or creeping underneath it is so off-putting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Pull the loom from the ecu or you'll end up with something like this... http://bedders.bulldoghome.com/photos/BDRES/bedders_bulldoghome_com/wires.jpg And the aircon and power steering pump as said before can just be hooked outta the way..this was on a soraer but it aint much diff to the supra.. Andy Hmm, well, most of those connectors will come off anyway when you take the engine apart, at least there when you drop the engine back in they will all drop back into roughly the right place. And you'll be unplugging it from a lot of ancillaries that stay in the bay - PAS, aircon, ABS... Can't see why people are so scared of the wiring loom but then I've probably had the misfortune to get more intimate with mine than most... -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I got the rad, turbo/s and intake off first, as I was stripping it all down anyway,take about 2 hours or so.(Single BTW) then lift your head, drop your box, and disconnect all the sensors from the block, you cant get them mixed up as they just naturally sit in thier place, and if you worried then label them. Get under thier and remove 2 nuts on the crossmember at the mounts, 22mm IIRC maybe bigger .. and wala ready for lift off. that way you dont need a engine stand to hold it all on to, just plop your bits you need in safe place, and your done. That way you can use a normal engine crane, even a long reach one, as your only lifting the block out. I had todo it this way due to room, but I know all US guys just disconnect the loom from the EMS and the driveshaft, and mounts, and pull it in one go like TMC say .. HTH If you need any help Jake just holla .. edit, Jake when you undo the nuts that hold the A/C pipes becareful, as it will piss out, and dont get it in your eyes. Proper way is too just hookup a reclaim unit on both sides of the system and fro mthe H and L ports and that way no riskies ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 29, 2005 Author Share Posted June 29, 2005 Can't see why people are so scared of the wiring loom It's mainly because it seems to in and out and through loads things. It's hard to follow and some of the loom seems disappear through a gap in a bunch of stuff and never appear again. Seems quite daunting to me. I think it would be easier to disconnect the loom if you were taking the intake and turbos off but I really don't want to do that in the engine bay if I can help it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Blew your engine? How did you manage that one?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 29, 2005 Author Share Posted June 29, 2005 Blew your engine? How did you manage that one?! RTFBBS! http://mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=41421 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 It's mainly because it seems to in and out and through loads things. It's hard to follow and some of the loom seems disappear through a gap in a bunch of stuff and never appear again. Seems quite daunting to me. I think it would be easier to disconnect the loom if you were taking the intake and turbos off but I really don't want to do that in the engine bay if I can help it. I can appreciate it looks daunting, I've got a wiring loom off Soop Dogg sat on a shelf and it looks like something by HR Giger. But if the loom primary is still in situ when you drop the engine back in, most of the stuff sits exactly where you need it. If you take it out the bay then off the engine, it seems like a harder job. But I'm not arguing for one way or the other, it'd be stupid to bang on about which way to go, lets face it you've got a big job ahead of you one way or the other, and either wiring loom strategy is gonna suck in some respects 4 hours ish to get the sequential twins off when the engine is still in - everything is accessible if you have wheel ramps and the required tools - extension bars, deep sockets, knuckle joints, and the all-important WD40 I've stripped an engine sat on a pallet as well, and that was actually trickier in some respects - it was low down and unsecured. Maybe not so much of an issue with an engine stand though. Personally I'd strip it in the engine bay to give maximum maneouvring room and minimum weight, especially as it's gotta be stripped anyway to check what the damage is. But I can see reasons for pulling it out with as many bits bolted on as possible too... -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 RTFBBS! http://mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=41421 I'm a busy man.. well busy whoring it up Will do, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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