TRD3000GT Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 has anyone had experience with these guys? the kit looks pretty nice and at almost 1/2 the price of the Aquamist kit its an attractive alternative http://www.coolingmist.com/detailpage.aspx?pid=01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandan Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 I can't see you getting great water atomisation at 100psi (less boost pressure). I believe the AM pumps put out about 6bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD3000GT Posted June 24, 2005 Author Share Posted June 24, 2005 what pressure do the Aquamist kits work at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 I believe the AM pumps put out about 6bar. Dan already answered you, but 6 bar is only 87psi approx. I thought aquamist were higher than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD3000GT Posted June 24, 2005 Author Share Posted June 24, 2005 Dan already answered you Yea saw that after I posted.. Terry which Aquamist kit would you get? Obviously they have £500 kits but I think they are a bit overkill as Chris Wilson said in a previous discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 I wouldnt, I have had bad luck with their pumps failing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD3000GT Posted June 24, 2005 Author Share Posted June 24, 2005 I wouldnt, I have had bad luck with their pumps failing. Well it was just one idea for lowering intake tempratures... Any other ideas ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 Well it was just one idea for lowering intake tempratures... Any other ideas ? What are they? I wouldnt have thought you have an issue with a 3 Row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 The Aquamist pumps do fail if you don't take care of them. Using ethanol-based stuff (like commercial windscreen-washer fluids) kills their seals. Running them dry also kills them, easy thing to do if you don't double-check the installation. The kit above is based around the Shureflo pump, which is more 'agricultural' than the Aquamist but it does the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD3000GT Posted June 24, 2005 Author Share Posted June 24, 2005 What are they? I wouldnt have thought you have an issue with a 3 Row. I dont have any issues yet I just want her to run as safe as possible so a few people told me to get water injection... Just me listening to the others I guess I must learn to controll myself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 The Aquamist pumps do fail if you don't take care of them. Using ethanol-based stuff (like commercial windscreen-washer fluids) kills their seals. Running them dry also kills them, easy thing to do if you don't double-check the installation. The kit above is based around the Shureflo pump, which is more 'agricultural' than the Aquamist but it does the job. What about only running water through them, keeping them inside the engine bay, and NEVER running them dry. 3 failures like this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 has anyone had experience with these guys? the kit looks pretty nice and at almost 1/2 the price of the Aquamist kit its an attractive alternative http://www.coolingmist.com/detailpage.aspx?pid=01 Hi mate, I bought a kit from cooling mist but havent tried the kit out yet. it arrived fine!!! (i bought the 150psi kit) 150psi=10bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD3000GT Posted June 24, 2005 Author Share Posted June 24, 2005 looks like the cooling mist has a MUCH higher pressure.. 150 psi to 80 ish ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 What about only running water through them, keeping them inside the engine bay, and NEVER running them dry. 3 failures like this! About 1.5 years ago (roughly) they changed the design of the pump seals to be more robust. I remember Mr Aquamist explaining to me in great detail, he was in talkative mood lol... I have a friend who went through 3 of the old pumps, and I was quick to point out that I'd want a no-fuss refund if it goes south despite me sticking to their instructions. Turns out it's easy to get air sucked in the pump from the low-pressure side, hard to troubleshoot since no water leaks. Bubbles in the high pressure lines are a giveaway, along with the pump being excessively noisy. I've experimented quite a lot (for an enthusiast, not a F1 team!) on the subject and found several gotchas and surprising effects too. Some of them I explain on my 'water injection' page on my website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 John, what do you think of the design of the shureflo pumps??? do they last??? cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 People in the States run them with no major issues. Some even mix'n'match with Aquamist ancilliaries You've got to find flow figures first, depending on what nozzles you'll use (no big deal, you can measure them yourself really, that's what I did and found the Aquamist flow maps to be way off) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3xt3r Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 I swear by the Snow Performance Kit. Inexpensive, good warranty and easy to use and expand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 You've got to find flow figures first, depending on what nozzles you'll use (no big deal, you can measure them yourself really, that's what I did and found the Aquamist flow maps to be way off) By 'flow figures', do u mean the amount they flow through each injector?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 yes, with real-life voltage and hoses. You just activate it for 15seconds into a calibrated container and then multiply by 4. It's important not to swamp the engine with water. You don't want it too early or to be like a fire hydrant, that will actually lower your power figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 Like Terry, I had 3 pumps fail between 99~02, All were replaced foc without quibble. The current one has been faultless for almost three years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 It's important not to swamp the engine with water, that will actually lower your power figures. Even if its meths? If you have a way of tuning ign and fuel then you could really release the potential i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Even if its meths? If you have a way of tuning ign and fuel then you could really release the potential i guess. it's not that simple, you can't just substitute water with methanol (or whatever) and assume that everything's honky-dory. You have to know the pump's tolerance for one, or else you'll kill it. Methanol attacks aluminum as well, did you know that? As for the methanol/fuel ratio, that's another story. Stoich for methanol is less than half than what it is for petrol, and it releases less energy per gram. So your 'target' AFRs under boost might not be where you think they should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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