Rob_Mitchell Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I can see where your coming from Rob but the idea of coating the manifold is to keep the heat in. This helps keep under bonnet temps down but more importantly keeps the gases in the manifold hot which makes them move quicker aiding in spool. oh shows what i know then, for some reason i was thinking the opposite to you, i thought you didnt want heat.. oh it makes sense now. sorry if i confused matters guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Mitchell Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Just face it, your wrong and rob is right...! nar scott is right to degree but i got the wrong idea of what is meant to be acheived here, ie- keep temperature in and not getting rid of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 oh shows what i know then, for some reason i was thinking the opposite to you, i thought you didnt want heat.. oh it makes sense now. sorry if i confused matters guys. Stick with making things blingy and leave the tech to the techies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazil Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 (edited) nar scott is right to degree but i got the wrong idea of what is meant to be acheived here, ie- keep temperature in and not getting rid of it My bad,,, I am just bored and Scott is so easy to wind up...! ha-ha ha Edited February 15, 2011 by Brazil I will stop it now...! sorry scott..! ;-) (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Just face it, your wrong and rob is right...! He has already admitted to being wrong bud. He didn't realise just how high the exhaust manifold temps actually went. I'm not entirely sure either but cherry red (around 800-950degC) is a common thing to see on the dyno, never mind when really pushing it for extended periods on a track etc. I'm almost positive I read that anything above 1000C can be a bit iffy, can't be sure though. Gold plating won't stand up to anywhere near the temperatures as gold itself will, due to the under coatings required for the gold to adhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 My bad,,, I am just bored and Scott is so easy to wind up...! ha-ha ha A few people have said that on here, you would be surprised at just how laid back and relaxed I am when you think I am wound up though. Have you ever thought that maybe the shoe was actually on the other foot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Mitchell Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Stick with making things blingy and leave the tech to the techies yes sir!! im out of this tech area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 sorry if i confused matters guys. You've confused the sh!t out of me now Rob ... altho doesnt normally take much..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 If the goal was to keep the exhaust gas hotter then the inside of the pipe would be coated , IF spool was improved by higher inlet turbine temps (due soley by the improved reduction in heat loss by conduction) then it could also cause longevity problems with the turbine at fully spooled conditions and possibly have a negative effect on the wastegate . Very expensive way of protecting surrounding components from heat Almost no info is available on turbine effects from the manufacturer and indeed turbo manufacturers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Cerrachrome is quite good and looks nice. I have a cast manifold that is cerrachrome coated, inside and out, it's in a link in this old advert. The other one is Camcoat coated. http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/89040-genuine-garrett-gt3040r-70-housing-brand-new-also-tial-44-mm-wastegate-brand-new.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandan Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 (edited) My stuff is all coated by Zircotec in the Performance Black which is the standard white ceramic coating with a black over the top. I cannot give any hard quantitative facts about the actual heat reduction but I can say that the underbonnet area is cooler with it all coated. (I did run the car before coating everything to check fits etc before dropping the big £££ on the coating). One thing I will add (which I just found out today) is that the Zircotec stuff has a three year warranty for road use. That is pretty good in my book and I will be taking advantage of it as I have a small amount of flaking of the top black coat on my turbine housing. If I had to do it all over again.....I would do the coating again for definite. Edited October 2, 2013 by dandan (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey. Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 My stuff is all coated by Zircotec in the Performance Black which is the standard white ceramic coating with a black over the top. I cannot give any hard quantitative facts about the actual heat reduction but I can say that the underbonnet area is cooler with it all coated. (I did run the car before coating everything to check fits etc before dropping the big £££ on the coating). http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz202/danc8000/Zircotec%20Parts/CIMG3387a.jpg http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz202/danc8000/Zircotec%20Parts/CIMG3389a.jpg http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz202/danc8000/Zircotec%20Parts/CIMG3397a.jpg One thing I will add (which I just found out today) is that the Zircotec stuff has a three year warranty for road use. That is pretty good in my book and I will be taking advantage of it as I have a small amount of flaking of the top black coat on my turbine housing. If I had to do it all over again.....I would do the coating again for definite. What kind of cost dan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 IIRC to coat all of my pipework for the twin set-up cost me £1250. I then wrap it as well which costs an additional £100 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandan Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I reckon my stuff was about £600 but I will check. The cast manifold is cheaper as the surface area is way less than a tubular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 The zircotec coating on the manifold I had came off in big lumps so Im trying camcoat, they have parts being used on Le Mans cars so thats good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Its not just down to the instant HP increases though is it? The damaging effects of heat in an engine bay where things have been turned up beyond maximum will make themselves known when wiring insulation cracks and shrinks, plastic parts crack, pipework perishes, and other parts get heat damaged. Long term heat damage can have massive consequences. If the said companies kit works then its money worth spending if you are going to keep the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trinitom Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I just don't understand something about coating? It may get the engine bay cooler, but where the heat goes? it doesn't disappear like magic for sure! How about the internal temperature on the pipes manifold and turbo housing? wont the manifold be more prone to crack on the long term use? In my mind I think it would be more adequate to route cold air in to the engine bay. (and it's far more cheap) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 It keeps the heat inside the exhaust instead of letting it escape into the engine bay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Yes they are 2 diferent types of coating, the Zircotec can only be applied to the outside of the manifold and can be applied a lot thicker, the camcoat can be applied inside and out because it is only Microns thick, if the coating were to come away it will not damage the turbo. I believe the figures are actually a lot closer than you know. Any bets if camcoat were to charge £1000 a manifold suddenly it would be 'the new' product to have. Having spoken to Pete im more than happy I have made the right choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandan Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Is the camcoat internal coating cheaper than Zircotec's external coating on a like for like piece? I'm interested in both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Camcoat used to do a DIY kit as well, if you can clean the manifold perfectly, preferably by bead blasting, it's entirely possible to use it at home and bake it in a normal oven to cure it. Some coatings just air dried, they did quite a range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Is the camcoat internal coating cheaper than Zircotec's external coating on a like for like piece? I'm interested in both Turbo header and downpipe coated inside and out is £255 + vat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey. Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Turbo header and downpipe coated inside and out is £255 + vat. Not a great deal cheaper then:innocent: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Not a great deal cheaper then:innocent: well im happy to have Peter do mine, maybe if JP has his Zircotec coated we can take some heat readings at a dyno day and see the diff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 well im happy to have Peter do mine, maybe if JP has his Zircotec coated we can take some heat readings at a dyno day and see the diff. Great reading this thread - looking forward to the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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