tbourner Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Do they have health and hip problems/short life span? Ours died of Cancer at age 4. Lifespan isn't great I'm not good on Dane knowledge, but I'd heard they have the shortest of useful lives? Like they're a pupy until they're 3 (still growing, can't be worked too hard) and then they're considered too old by age 5 onwards, meaning just 2 years of running around like idiots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Thorin, theres always exceptions to the life expectancy rules, my last Boxer, Buster lasted until he was 14, and 10 is the supposed max. We're seeing more and more Dane's live into double figures now that more is known about DCM. Once DCM can be bred out then it will become the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I think its very true, theres no such things as bad dogs, just bad owners. Ive had a few rescue dogs, an although it can be hard to deal with excitable/non socialised/seperation anxhiety plagued dogs its immensly rewarding to to see results from training Our first foster dog had been basically left in the front garden for collection, was guarding over food and her crate, got aggressive if us or other dogs went near her. We managed to 'fix' these issues down to a manageable level and she was adopted by a home we thought had the knowledge to continue working on it, we were only down the road as well, but alas they wanted rid after a few weeks. She came out worse than before, went into a different foster home (where she escaped and got run over), and is now living with the rescue founder in Scotland, still looking for a home but doing much better now she's got some training again. It really is the saddest story we've had so far and really shows how her 6 different owners have sent her on a rollercoaster of knowing and not knowing what's expected of her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Unprintable, but basically potential dog owners should have a means test, a suitable home test and a violent criminal record check. It's not the dog's fault owners train it to be aggressive and a "status symbol". Similar tests should be applicable before having kids Like many recent acts it fails to address the root cause because it's politically incorrect to grasp the real issues, which is mainly the desire and media encouragement for sink estate kids to emulate drug dealers and criminals, rather than true role models. But I digress again Sadly many of these acts are unworkable and a waste of resources. I can make a very effective attack dog out of a Standard Poodle. In fact there's a house up the road with one where you would be mad to even shout at the owners, such is its guarding instinct, and it'll clear a field gate without touching the top bar! Interesting read. I was talking to an ex police dog trainer, who now breeds Rottis. He was saying that the breeds that are banned (Dogo aside) would take 20 years of breeding to knock the aggresive nature out of them as they where breed for a purpose. I would love to know how they came about banning the dogo, The others on the list are fighting dogs, Pitbull and Tosa. While the Fila is supposed to have an instant dislike to anyone other than its family. My understanding is the Dogo is a hunting dog. Therfore dog/human agressive is against the breed? What annoys me is when say a jack bites someone its classed as "nipy" clearly if the Jack was Mastiff size it would be classed as dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Interesting read. I was talking to an ex police dog trainer, who now breeds Rottis. He was saying that the breeds that are banned (Dogo aside) would take 20 years of breeding to knock the aggressive nature out of them as they were breed for a purpose. I would love to know how they came about banning the Dogo, The others on the list are fighting dogs, Pitbull and Tosa. While the Fila is supposed to have an instant dislike to anyone other than its family. My understanding is the Dogo is a hunting dog. Therfore dog/human agressive is against the breed? What annoys me is when say a jack bites someone its classed as "nippy" clearly if the Jack was Mastiff size it would be classed as dangerous. It's mistake to think that the "fighting" breeds are dangerous. In fact, in the case of the Staff, Pit Bull/Amstaff, and Bull Terrier the opposite is true, it was their history as fighting dogs that gave them the ideal temperament (as long as you could control the dog aggression, and you didn't want a guard dog ). Leaving aside the Dogo, Filia, and Tosa (There was one Tosa and no Dogos or Filias in the UK when the Dangerous Dogs Act was drafted. My suspicion is that the Kennel Club "volunteered" those breeds as a sop to the politicians. The idiots involved in devising the DDA might have heard of the Tosa, but I can't believe they had any idea that the Dogo and Filia even existed.), the Pit Bull, like all the bull terrier breeds, once had a deserved reputation for being the most people-friendly of dogs. Unfortunately, once it became the drug dealers' attack dog of choice, and they bred from animals that would have been culled by any dog fighter, the temperament of some individuals was changed in a way that allowed the breed to be demonised by the press and politicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 ...I can make a very effective attack dog out of a Standard Poodle. In fact there's a house up the road with one where you would be mad to even shout at the owners, such is its guarding instinct, and it'll clear a field gate without touching the top bar!I'm sure I can remember reading, many (many, many, many...) years ago of someone in the US who trained Standard Poodles as personal protection dogs. They were not intimidating to other people, or to the (usually) women who owned them, especially when in one of the silly show trims, but had a gundog's trainability and the size to be an effective deterrent when required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 What annoys me is when say a jack bites someone its classed as "nipy" clearly if the Jack was Mastiff size it would be classed as dangerous. Top ten most dangerous dogs: http://www.dirjournal.com/info/most-dangerous-dogs-in-the-world/ Listings come from sources such as the CDC, who's list related to dog bite related fatalities. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00047723.htm Wonder what the 'top ten dogs most aggressive to humans' list would say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caliAl Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I’ve always wanted a Boarboel, but with 2 small kids I don’t think now is the right time. http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/boerboel.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Top ten most dangerous dogs: http://www.dirjournal.com/info/most-dangerous-dogs-in-the-world/ QUOTE] LMAO Boxer? really? That has to be a joke? I have never seen one that was anything other than a huge clown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 I’ve always wanted a Boarboel, but with 2 small kids I don’t think now is the right time. 70 to 90 kilos?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 Top ten most dangerous dogs: http://www.dirjournal.com/info/most-dangerous-dogs-in-the-world/ QUOTE] LMAO Boxer? really? That has to be a joke? I have never seen one that was anything other than a huge clown. Dont be fooled, they just play dumb St Bernards? Maybe if they sat on you lol. Those Presa's are a fine looking animal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 It's mistake to think that the "fighting" breeds are dangerous. Much snipped. It has to be said that if you are old Mrs. Jenkin's toy poodle an off the lead fighting dog appears very dangerous. Whilst many Pit Bulls live exemplary lives in families throughout the USA the trend over here was to buy them because of their image, much the same as kids speaking patois and dressing like gangsters, yet having less than the bus fare home in their pockets. Once feckless and easily lead people buy such an animal, the potential for physical and reputational damage is immense. An owner who laughs whilst his "pit bull" rips to shreds an elderly persons friend and pet, or the dog savages the owners own unsupervised offspring in an act of boredom and frustration are the reasons the government was (misguidedly in my opinion) driven to implement the act. Once again their true direction might have been the banning of feral kids roaming the streets at all hours of the day and night, and a proper child protection agency staffed by those with no PC pretensions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 It's mistake to think that the "fighting" breeds are dangerous. In fact, in the case of the Staff, Pit Bull/Amstaff, and Bull Terrier the opposite is true, it was their history as fighting dogs that gave them the ideal temperament (as long as you could control the dog aggression, and you didn't want a guard dog ). Leaving aside the Dogo, Filia, and Tosa (There was one Tosa and no Dogos or Filias in the UK when the Dangerous Dogs Act was drafted. My suspicion is that the Kennel Club "volunteered" those breeds as a sop to the politicians. The idiots involved in devising the DDA might have heard of the Tosa, but I can't believe they had any idea that the Dogo and Filia even existed.), the Pit Bull, like all the bull terrier breeds, once had a deserved reputation for being the most people-friendly of dogs. Unfortunately, once it became the drug dealers' attack dog of choice, and they bred from animals that would have been culled by any dog fighter, the temperament of some individuals was changed in a way that allowed the breed to be demonised by the press and politicians. The banning of fighting breeds i thought was to stop them being used as such, The kennel club could well be responsable for the Dogos plight. However how they over looked breeds such as the Bully Kutta ect is just plain stupid when you take into account that none where in the country in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Once feckless and easily lead people buy such an animal, the potential for physical and reputational damage is immense. ...the same can be said about Supras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Top ten most dangerous dogs: http://www.dirjournal.com/info/most-dangerous-dogs-in-the-world/ LMAO Boxer? really? That has to be a joke? I have never seen one that was anything other than a huge clown. St Bernards? Maybe if they sat on you lol. The point is ANY dog can become aggressive given the wrong owners, they all come from wolves at the end of the day. I know Malamutes pretty well and know them to be VERY loving to people and kids, but one from the same litter as our boy became aggressive (we never liked the owners since we first met them!) and was banned from showing after he snapped at a judge!!! The reason they're on the list is because when they ARE aggressive they'll do you a right mischief with very litte effort - I know if Loki ever turned on me I'd have no chance of fighting him off cos he's so HUGE and strong. Whereas JRTs seem to all be aggressive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Much snipped. It has to be said that if you are old Mrs. Jenkin's toy poodle an off the lead fighting dog appears very dangerous. Whilst many Pit Bulls live exemplary lives in families throughout the USA the trend over here was to buy them because of their image, much the same as kids speaking patois and dressing like gangsters, yet having less than the bus fare home in their pockets. Once feckless and easily lead people buy such an animal, the potential for physical and reputational damage is immense. An owner who laughs whilst his "pit bull" rips to shreds an elderly persons friend and pet, or the dog savages the owners own unsupervised offspring in an act of boredom and frustration are the reasons the government was (misguidedly in my opinion) driven to implement the act. Once again their true direction might have been the banning of feral kids roaming the streets at all hours of the day and night, and a proper child protection agency staffed by those with no PC pretensions...The wannabe gangsters in the UK copied their American "heroes". That's where the pit bull issue started, and it was imported to the UK alongside crack cocaine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistonbroke Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I can't believe dalmation is on there. I have a dalmation rotti cross, and he's the daftest dog I've ever known. He lies down submissively on sight of any other dog, irrespective of size, and is scared of anything with wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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