David P Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I have been perusing the drag race times in the 'sticky', and find that most big singles are slower than a BPU T.T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 No way, never noticed. To be honest I've only look at them briefly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Most big single owners don't set their cars up for drag racing, they are for street and circuit driving for the most part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr lover Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Most big single owners don't set their cars up for drag racing, they are for street and circuit driving for the most part. whereas bpu tt's are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTRickeh Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 There are some NAs faster than TTs there, why bother with turbos at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 whereas bpu tt's are The ones that are faster than singles are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 The ones that are faster than singles are Scott has a point, all the BPU cars than run fast 1/4 miles times will be set up for drag racing i.e aftermarket torque converter, built auto box, sticky tyres etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Scott has a point, all the BPU cars than run fast 1/4 miles times will be set up for drag racing i.e aftermarket torque converter, built auto box, sticky tyres etc. Exactly, some people just can't see the wood for the trees though. Taking any BPU car in the list with a decent time and putting a single turbo in it will only result in a faster 1/4 mile time. Saying 1 car is faster than another car with a completely different set of permutations is just pointless. Drivers have a HUGE impact on 1/4 mile times as does mechanical sypmathy. FWIW the potential of any car can be seen by it's trap speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 FWIW the potential of any car can be seen by it's trap speed. Very true mate, the top two BPU cars that did run a lot faster than small singles both were set up to run just that, i would say though a BPU supra with stock running gear vs a small single well set up with stock running gear would show the difference between to two, also bare in mind people who have gone single, don't tend to do it for 1/4 mile times but more for the power delivery etc although some just like a nice big turbo to look at. People who have spend big on singles to be fast down the 1/4 mile would wipe the floor with any BPU car set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Very true mate, the top two BPU cars that did run a lot faster than small singles both were set up to run just that, i would say though a BPU supra with stock running gear vs a small single well set up with stock running gear would show the difference between to two, also bare in mind people who have gone single, don't tend to do it for 1/4 mile times but more for the power delivery etc although some just like a nice big turbo to look at. People who have spend big on singles to be fast down the 1/4 mile would wipe the floor with any BPU car set up. JPs time shows this in spades. With a decent drag setup he cracked the 10s in his previous-previous setup. BPUs hitting 120 traps are seriously sorted for the 1/4 mile. They shouldn't theoretically be able to do that but they are hitting 60 in such a short distance that they have a massive distance to rack up great trap speeds. Most singles should be hitting around the 120 mark with relative ease, it's the 60ft time that kills the singles. Another thing to remember is traction. A BPU Supra is pretty much on the limit of grip with decent tyres for a fast launch, fire a single into the mix and you need some soft rubber to get off the line fast. 888s (or similar) would be a minimum to get any sort of respectable 60ft time with a 600hp+ car IMO. Most of the "slower" 1/4 mile traps in single cars have been on 19" wheels and the like, with drivers just looking to have a good day out and come home with their car in 1 piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 (edited) Yeah i agree Scott, i think we have been here long enough to know the way it really is, i remember Brian and others when they actually set their records with BPU cars, i know their spec etc, it was far from normal everyday BPU supra's we see but they did a fantastic job and their records have stood the test of time. It will sink in to others Edited February 5, 2011 by Robert (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Looking at that list reminds me how long i've been on here LOL, joined at 18 years old back in 2004, Christian Doran's twin set up was my favourite car back then Justin's BPU car was a fast fast car set up for 1/4 mile racing, lovely machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Aren't most singles either in a garage with issues or parked up with the bonnet open? Just sayin'.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignum Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Aren't most singles either in a garage with issues or parked up with the bonnet open? Just sayin'.... That, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 (edited) Some of the single turbo times are shocking, drag racing is not as easy as people think though. Ive always thought it a shame a lot of the times are not kept in that thread, like my 10.9 on an old T67dbb, if its a different turbo setup the time should stay imo, gives people that look at the thread an idea of what is possible on what turbo's, not sure if anyone else here has got in the 10's on a 67? Edited February 5, 2011 by JamieP (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I have been perusing the drag race times in the 'sticky', and find that most big singles are slower than a BPU T.T. Not everyone cares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Not everyone cares So not everyone has to read it, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Some of the single turbo times are shocking, drag racing is not as easy as people think though. Ive always thought it a shame a lot of the times are not kept in that thread, like my 10.9 on an old T67dbb, if its a different turbo setup the time should stay imo, gives people that look at the thread an idea of what is possible on what turbo's, not sure if anyone else here has got in the 10's on a 67? Jamie, what was your termial on that 10.9 run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 So not everyone has to read it, then. Read what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Read what? I'm guessing the drag racing times table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Aren't most singles either in a garage with issues or parked up with the bonnet open? Just sayin'.... Many a true word said in jest.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Jamie, what was your termial on that 10.9 run? 126mph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Exactly, some people just can't see the wood for the trees though. Taking any BPU car in the list with a decent time and putting a single turbo in it will only result in a faster 1/4 mile time. Saying 1 car is faster than another car with a completely different set of permutations is just pointless. Drivers have a HUGE impact on 1/4 mile times as does mechanical sypmathy. FWIW the potential of any car can be seen by it's trap speed. JPs time shows this in spades. With a decent drag setup he cracked the 10s in his previous-previous setup. BPUs hitting 120 traps are seriously sorted for the 1/4 mile. They shouldn't theoretically be able to do that but they are hitting 60 in such a short distance that they have a massive distance to rack up great trap speeds. Most singles should be hitting around the 120 mark with relative ease, it's the 60ft time that kills the singles. Another thing to remember is traction. A BPU Supra is pretty much on the limit of grip with decent tyres for a fast launch, fire a single into the mix and you need some soft rubber to get off the line fast. 888s (or similar) would be a minimum to get any sort of respectable 60ft time with a 600hp+ car IMO. Most of the "slower" 1/4 mile traps in single cars have been on 19" wheels and the like, with drivers just looking to have a good day out and come home with their car in 1 piece. 126mph. Totally agree with everything Scott says, I think I pulled a 125mph terminal at 12.4, this totally illustrates the driver skill/car setup is paramount to a good time. Me thinks the OP is out to stir up a shit storm :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share Posted February 5, 2011 (edited) Totally agree with everything Scott says, I think I pulled a 125mph terminal at 12.4, this totally illustrates the driver skill/car setup is paramount to a good time. Me thinks the OP is out to stir up a shit storm :/ To the contrary, simply a genuine curiosity of the figures. Edited February 5, 2011 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 There is one other factor that everybody is forgetting, traction! unless set up for drag racing the Supra is not at all good at getting its power down from a standing start, like quite a few other road cars, the 200SX is another that comes to mind, any quick times from a single are usually because they are starting to get some grip by 1/3-1.2 track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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