den1 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 This looks interesting....Petrol made from Hydrogen http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1351341/Relief-pumps-Revolutionary-hydrogen-fuel-cost-just-90p-GALLON-run-existing-cars.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Interesting, but imagine it will get shelved due to large oil companies as they have so much invested in them. Without oil corps the government, economy and things like pensions etc would callapse, that simply wouldn't be allowed, who do you think really runs the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Interesting, but imagine it will get shelved due to large oil companies as they have so much invested in them. Without oil corps the government, economy and things like pensions etc would callapse, that simply wouldn't be allowed, who do you think really runs the world. Branners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DodgyRog Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Sounds good if anything comes of it but this quote says it all But AA president Edmund King warned: ‘The fact the hydrogen is cheaper now doesn’t mean it always will be because the Government would soon get its hands on it and increase the tax.’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Absolutely great if it happens, but doubtful, as it's beneficial and a viable alternative to oil. Shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefred Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Great idea, but if it did happen its never going to be 19p a litre as it would be taxed to the hilt like everything else, no government could afford not to, no one would be buying petrol with the duty of 59p a litre plus 20p a litre vat on it as well so no way is it going to be cheaper than petrol. I believe this sort of technology is far more advanced than we know, any government knows oil wont last forever but they are hardly going tooffer up a free replacement even if they have it. Just like Lpg, a few years ago you could claim back the cost of fitting the kit, or a large portion of it, we had all our petrol vans at work done or bought new Combi vans with it allready fitted, I'm sure Lpg was 30p a litre then or something now its over 70 p I think, its like as soon as they got loads of people hooked on it they started to ramp up the tax on it. My brother has an 5.8 litre dodge ram converted to Lpg, the price he pays for the Lpg for his central heating tank in the garden I think is about half the price as it costs in a petrol station, how can this be ? there is no difference between what goes in his truck compared to what goes in his central heating other than the stuff sold in petrol stations has twice the duty on it now. There was something on the radio the other day about the government considering not putting the 1 p a litre on in april that they were going to, this would cost them £500 million in lost revenue in order to 'help the motorist' 1 p a litre is not any help at all, considering they stand to lose £500 million for a penny a litre when they are currently getting 59 p a litre plus the 20 p a litre with the Vat you can see what a truly massive income they get from petrol tax and there is no way they are ever going to put it down or allow any other sort of tech to emerge which might lose them this revenue unless it is equally taxed, they just cannot afford to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 The downside is insurance premiums will go up http://www.otr.com/images/otrphotos/hindenburg1.jpg http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2009/05/building_your_own_star/Hbomb.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 The downside is insurance premiums will go up http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2009/05/building_your_own_star/Hbomb.jpg Good use of Castle Bravo imagery Shame one of the most beautiful sights is also one of the most destructive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I asked ages ago in another thread. How much is central heating LPG a litre at the moment, anyone using it? We are on oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakey Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Might be a repost but intresting. http://profit.ndtv.com/news/show/uk-scientists-invent-artificial-petrol-that-will-cost-rs-14-litre-138580?pfrom=home-Business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Threads merged. Try a little searching first, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attero Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I've posted this on a forum before, but I said it would be good for the government as they could increase tax so that fuel costs 80-90p. That's a lot cheaper than what we are paying now and it will earn the government a hell of a lot of money! Then when we are out of the crap we are in, we can decrease fuel costs to 60p or even less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Then when we are out of the crap we are in, we can decrease fuel costs to 60p or even less. Do you honestly believe that would happen? IMO we'll never see fuel go below £1.10 a litre now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attero Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Do you honestly believe that would happen? IMO we'll never see fuel go below £1.10 a litre now. I'm talking about if this Hydrogen idea comes into use. It's supposedly worth 19p/l before taxes/duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Result, means the supra can live on! If this happend it would kill diesel? or at least force the price right down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Not gonna happen until there is a huge supply of cheap hydrogen. As pretty much all natural hydrogen is tied up in water and other substances, it will take more money/energy to extract it than will be got out of it. So it's NOT going to happen [FACT] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attero Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Not gonna happen until there is a huge supply of cheap hydrogen. As pretty much all natural hydrogen is tied up in water and other substances, it will take more money/energy to extract it than will be got out of it. So it's NOT going to happen [FACT] I'm sure this is what they are trying to say. They've found a way of cheaply producing hydrogen based fuel that can be used it petrol cars, hence why they have put an estimated price of 19p/l on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Not gonna happen until there is a huge supply of cheap hydrogen. As pretty much all natural hydrogen is tied up in water and other substances, it will take more money/energy to extract it than will be got out of it. So it's NOT going to happen [FACT] Erm, have you read it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Yes I did read it, it doesn't mention anything about where the hydrogen comes from, just that a way has been found to use it as a petrol substitute. Am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I read it as them developing a hydrogen based fuel from what's available, meaning no need for expensive hydrogen extraction. I'm no chemist but I guess it doesn't require pure hydrogen to be modified, maybe they do something to water to get an H base? Anyway; you're all missing the point talking about cost, of course they stick that in the papers and of course the gov will add duty and VAT to it the same as petrol now, but so what? Oil reserves are becoming less viable and there's a catch 22 in almost every possibility to switch to another power source (no infrastructure means no development means no infrastructure......), this is a step towards saving our future. *cancels horse riding lessons* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I took it as they found a way to use it instead of petrol, and at a cost of 19p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Interesting, but imagine it will get shelved due to large oil companies as they have so much invested in them. Without oil corps the government, economy and things like pensions etc would callapse, that simply wouldn't be allowed, who do you think really runs the world. I believe oil companies do not base their main profit on car fuel sales. As a person, who did live next to massive refinery for most of my life I can assure you that car fuel is just a small part of what is produced there. Oil companies would do fine with or without massive fuel sales and I believe that once fuel from hydrogen would come out, duty on conventional fuels would suddenly drop down to match price Not to mention, that those companies would just adapt and start producing artifical fuel too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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