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Not one study, out of the many, has ever conclusively proven a corrolation between violence in films and video games with violent offenders in real life. Violent tendancy is a psychosis, which can be triggered by many things (including games and movies), but a mentally balanced person will not go out and kill just because they saw someone do it on a screen. Not that I'm an advocate of games like Manhunt, but it's only fair that we stick to the facts.

 

And with reference to the story - "a youth sized shotgun" ....... WTF? :blink:

 

I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusion, but if we're sticking to 'the facts', no single study conclusively proves anything. Science doesn't work like that. Its key feature is replicability: to be a robust effect, it has to be shown consistently.

 

As for the punishment of the kid, I don't really understand the logic behind it. Society adopts different rules for kids on the basis that they're not fully developed. For example, there's an age of consent because kids can't really understand the implications of sexual behaviour. You can't drive a car until you're 17 even though you're physically capable of it some years before.

 

Society recognises that something happens between age eleven - or thirteen - and 16-18. It recognises that, in general, during that time you change from someone who cannot be trusted to make correct decisions to someone who can. We restrict behaviours that we think kids can't be trusted to do. So it seems strange to me that the law is now saying that someone aged eleven is sufficiently grown-up to be punished for the rest of their life (if that's indeed what the sentence is, I haven't read the case). Kids are kids - if we don't treat them as adults in any other way, it seems inconsistent to punish them as adults.

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let the lil Fuc!er fry for all i care!

 

at 11 he damn well know what we was doin and the whole "human rights" 50% of its utter bull! It makes thugs get things so easy!

 

One thing with the death sentence is that you don't have to worry about them doing it again..!!

 

Interesting theory about the deterrant of the capital punishment. I tend to find that in countries where weapons are not easily available and a death penalty in existence tend to work better. America is no yard stick when it comes to this argument. Saudi Arabia and Dubai are better examples although you will never eradicate crime and murder.

 

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Haha, I love the reactions but there's no irony, fact is the little $#@! killed a pregnant woman. I'm sure if it were to be someones mum on here they would shoot him into space, I would.

 

I think you need to get an adult to sit down with you and look at the posts before they explain to you what irony is.

 

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I don't know, if at 11 years old it's going through his head to kill someone like that then what's he gonna be like when he is older? BUT, is this one of those questions about what kind of computer games has the boy been playing/getting ideas from?

 

I'm just not sure about people that do things like that.. If they can do it once, they could do it again. All it would take was for someone to really piss him off and BANG!

 

Watched a programme the other night and it appears that most adolescents don't comprehend the finality of death, hence the amount of teenage suicides, the doctor was saying that the teenagers just want to remove themselves from whatever situation without realising the ramifications, an adult can look back and know what you can lose but the kid can't look forward and realise what he will lose, if that makes sense. That kid has done what most animals in the wild do, without knowing all the facts it is difficult to make a decision, is the kid a normal kid or has he a history of torturing small animals etc. Now bear in mind I have spoken to a lot more murderers than most of you prob have and it is accepted that murder is the one crime that no one can garuntee they would not commit !!!!!!

 

The kid was jealous of the unborn baby, that is an emotion that is envolved in many crimes, reading about the case a top psychologist has said that most 11 year olds are not able to properly ascess their actions and a lot could be down to the way the father treated the wife.

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I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusion, but if we're sticking to 'the facts', no single study conclusively proves anything. Science doesn't work like that. Its key feature is replicability: to be a robust effect, it has to be shown consistently.

 

As for the punishment of the kid, I don't really understand the logic behind it. Society adopts different rules for kids on the basis that they're not fully developed. For example, there's an age of consent because kids can't really understand the implications of sexual behaviour. You can't drive a car until you're 17 even though you're physically capable of it some years before.

 

Society recognises that something happens between age eleven - or thirteen - and 16-18. It recognises that, in general, during that time you change from someone who cannot be trusted to make correct decisions to someone who can. We restrict behaviours that we think kids can't be trusted to do. So it seems strange to me that the law is now saying that someone aged eleven is sufficiently grown-up to be punished for the rest of their life (if that's indeed what the sentence is, I haven't read the case). Kids are kids - if we don't treat them as adults in any other way, it seems inconsistent to punish them as adults.

 

I believe I've got your point, and I do agree with it...

 

If you remove emotion from the argument... The law is there for a reason and it states that children can't be tried as adults, blah blah.... Which is fine, but in cases like this people seem to want to remove that stability and just execute the kid. While personally I have no problem with it, we can't simply select when we would LIKE to law to apply and when not. The bulger cases are a similar example, I VERY much disagree with them being out HOWEVER the law did state they were minors and such on....

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Now bear in mind I have spoken to a lot more murderers than most of you prob have and it is accepted that murder is the one crime that no one can garuntee they would not commit !!!!!!

 

Strange that, again I agree.... I have more issues with senselessly killing an animal than I do a person... and while I know it would be wrong and such, if someone did something untowards to my family (and I do mean something big), I don't doubt I would be capable of killing someone and probably feel justified.

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I'm considering applying as a hobbyist on here, selling discount pitchforks and wicker men.

 

 

 

...Also custom gloves to protect vulnerable knuckles from ground-related friction.

 

Funnily enough, just the other day, I was thinking of applying to supply dummies :D

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I dont think comparing this to the Bulger one is fair. This child picked up the gun, this angers me A LOT, walked into the room and pulled the trigger, BANG, job done.

 

Those evil scum who did what they did to Jamie failed to picked up a victim a day or so before hand and then tortured him in the most horrific way over a period of time. They deserve to die and the recent news of what happened during their stay in prison whilst being rehabilitated shows a waste of time and resource.

 

With regards the shooting the access to the weapon drives me mad but then maybe he would have killed her with a knife, who knows but at least if the gun was secure....

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