michael Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 So the government want to force car drivers off the roads and onto public transport with increased charges for using the roads... however now the train operators want to stop people using busy trains by doing the same: http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-13375093,00.html How long before shoe shops charge us more for walking to work at peak times then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Un- fecking- believeable eh? :thumbdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faye Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 How bloody ridiculous. If they want people out of London maybe the real solution would be to provide tax breaks to companies who have home workers. Theres no good reason why I couldn't do my job at home if I could connect up to the email etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Here's an idea for the government.................selective genocide, simply kill off groups of people. Nanny this, nanny that, f**king interfering, self-important twat's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Here's an idea for the government.................selective genocide, simply kill off groups of people. That's what I've said all along, almost every problem in society would be solved if we reduced the population. 30 million max in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 That's what I've said all along, almost every problem in society would be solved if we reduced the population. 30 million max in the UK. Are you back to your selective genocide theory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Yeah you just have to ignore the moral and emotional problems stopping you from realising the honest logic of the idea. It's the reason I don't give to charity, you have to find the good in every situation, some situations it's very difficult to find the good, but even cancer is a good thing - reducing the population and therefore helping the rest of the world live a little bit longer. I do have an emotional side BTW, I'm not a heartless bastard, my nan in law died of cancer a couple of weeks ago! I even gave some money to the Rowans Hospice who took care of her - I'm just being logical that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martynb Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Er - in case anyone hadn't noticed the captive commuters are already fleeced to death for wanting to travel to work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Yeah you just have to ignore the moral and emotional problems stopping you from realising the honest logic of the idea. It's the reason I don't give to charity, you have to find the good in every situation, some situations it's very difficult to find the good, but even cancer is a good thing - reducing the population and therefore helping the rest of the world live a little bit longer. I do have an emotional side BTW, I'm not a heartless bastard, my nan in law died of cancer a couple of weeks ago! I even gave some money to the Rowans Hospice who took care of her - I'm just being logical that's all. please don't start with this again! last time you said it i wanted to deck you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTIN R Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 please don't start with this again! last time you said it i wanted to deck you! Wise words, me thinks As for Congestion charging its bloody ridiculous, if you leave the car because its more to drive at peak times,they will charge you more for using the train and thats reliable NOT!!!!!, probably wont even get a bloody seat either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markie Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 If they bring it in, I reakon they will find themselfs forking out more money for DSS sign on's then, as some wont be able to afford these silly protected prices they have in mind.. Government.. Totally f'ing useless! Lets see everyone block up the A roads instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 please don't start with this again! last time you said it i wanted to deck you! A lot of people say that, but this is the internet no doubt there are rapists and racists logging on every day - deal with it. Back on topic, maybe they should think about changing the working day. How many people would be happy to work a different shift, especially international businesses the amount of crap we get arranging conference calls with America and Japan!! It's set 9-5 and it doesn't really need to be, work from home as Faye said. I'm sure there'd be 20-30% at least who'd change their hours - congestion solved (almost! ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 and if any of these rapists and racists publicly said what they did / thought of doin, then they would get slated too. sorry mate, but i really think you're sick with that idea. so should we fuck off the NHS too? i mean if these people died then it'd help congestion wouldn't it? and back on topic, if people are forced off the road onto overcrowded public transport services then the government is not solving anything. I still reckon a lot of congestion is avoidable by reducing accidents. i reckon compulsory driving tests every 3 years or something (didn't germany do this?), use cash from that to help public transport. also target middle lane / overtaking lane cruisers who slow up traffic and undertakers (no not the dead person kind) as they cause a lot of accidents also. i also reckon road maintainance companies should use more common sense. on the a19 up here, they left 1 lane open during the night which was when they did their work. a lot more places should do that also. a lot of people do work during the night but, (unless there's a big shift), then companies have to trade during the day. personally, even with congestion charging, letting people die as trev is in favour of, and changing working hours, there's not much that can be done about congestion. it is down to an increasing population BUT what can be done about it? (except stop helping the sick etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 and if any of these rapists and racists publicly said what they did / thought of doin, then they would get slated too. sorry mate, but i really think you're sick with that idea. so should we fuck off the NHS too? i mean if these people died then it'd help congestion wouldn't it? Good point, well made. Nobody understands my 'logic' (well a few people at work agree), you gotta get rid of all emotion, imagine the people in the world are smarties and the more you eat the better off we'll be (OK that's a little weird!!). Obviously I don't think we should get rid of the NHS, my g/f works in the oncology department of our local hospital - I know what it's about. And I agree with cancer research etc. But 'technically' the remaining people would be better off if we reduced the population. it is down to an increasing population....... See. You agree!! And no there isn't much that can be done, my plan to kill off millions will never be realised (joke). Sorry again!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 See. You agree!! And no there isn't much that can be done, my plan to kill off millions will never be realised (joke). definately agree - more people does = more crowding. But if people have cancer or other diseases etc, they're highly unlikely to be on the road during peak times anyway aren't they? if they were allowed to die, i don't see how that would help congestion on the roads. More people have to travel to work using roads / trains as they're being forced out of cities, now they're being penalised for having to travel to work! Passing the work over to public transport isn't gonna help at all as they're over crowded during peak times already. before any benefits have been made, the whole country will have, um, exploded. (couldn't think of a better word) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 definately agree - more people does = more crowding. But if people have cancer or other diseases etc, they're highly unlikely to be on the road during peak times anyway aren't they? if they were allowed to die, i don't see how that would help congestion on the roads. Aah but there'll be less people going to hospitals for visits, which also means there'll be more beds for 'less ill' people!! Although I suppose there'll be more cars on the road on the way to funerals, and those funeral processions go REALLY slow!! Right I'm just getting nasty now so I'll stop (remember I had a close family member cremated last week after 2 months of knowing she was going to die of cancer - take this as tongue in cheek please). Maybe if we had a public transport system like other countries in Europe it'd be better, When I went to Amsterdam I was amazed by the trains in France/Belgium/Holland - they were brilliant!!! IMO London has a reasonably good public transport system, the tube is really good if you can stomach sitting in someone else's lap (overpopulation again)!! I can't see any way to stop people using it though other than charging. It's crap but how else can you stop people 'being there'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Aah but there'll be less people going to hospitals for visits, which also means there'll be more beds for 'less ill' people!! Although I suppose there'll be more cars on the road on the way to funerals, and those funeral processions go REALLY slow!! unlikely as it is now i would of thought mate yeah it is over populating but there is nothing that can be done except shooting the 14 year olds who are out gettin pregnant! my dad's a GP and he was sayin that a couple of weeks ago he had a stream of 13 year old girls in who were pregnant! said he couldn't believe it! the Tube idea is good, i know Liverpool has an underground too but it's shite! an increase in park and ride schemes might help too? a lot of people do live too far from where they work to allow them to JUST use public transport. its 8 miles to where i work, my housemate tried using public transport to get to work (she works in the same shoppin centre) and she ended up phonin me for a lift because the bus never turned up. it'd take ages for me to get to work on just public transport. and i only live 8 miles away! (and no i'm not walkin!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faye Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 yeah it is over populating but there is nothing that can be done except shooting the 14 year olds who are out gettin pregnant! my dad's a GP and he was sayin that a couple of weeks ago he had a stream of 13 year old girls in who were pregnant! said he couldn't believe it! Can we shoot the chaps who get them pregnant as well ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickTT Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 You're misssing the point. Congestion charging is not designed to reduce congestion, or help the environment, or whatever else they claim. It is to RAISE TAX!!!!! Everything this government does is to raise tax. Its obvious that if you work 9 - 5 in the city centre you aren't going to travel in at 3.00am so by charging more for peak periods they are simply increasing tax revenue. If we all got rid of our cars, public transport would collapse under the strain and the government would be bankrupted overnight. There are over 20 million motorists in the UK. We need another properly organised protest like the fuel protests a few years ago to let Blair, Brown and that fat idiot Prescott know motorists have had enough of being ripped off. Rant over........ Unless anyone mentions banning smoking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 I think we should ban smoking......... actually no, scrap that idea. The fuel protest got turned around though, they claimed emergency services weren't working as they couldn't get fuel, and after a week the public had turned against the protestors, most people just wanted to go and fill up with petrol to get to work. Whatever we do the government will use it against us somehow. I know how we all feel about petitions and how pointless they are but there must be thousands of people who think it's stupid that they try and get us out of our cars and onto public transport, and then charge more for public transport!!! They need to make one cheap option otherwise nobody will be able to go anywhere!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 ...they claimed emergency services weren't working as they couldn't get fuel, and after a week the public had turned against the protestors... The big con about that was the basic fact that the emergency services have HUGE fuel stockpiles, and the protestors weren't blocking the tankers destined for that purpose anyway. The government used emotional blackmail and the media to quell the mob-rule. Then the protest organisers were shown the accounting details the 'proved' the government couldn't afford to reduce the tax...I mean come on - these guys were farmers weren't they? Not accountants! How can they be expected to make a valid judgement on that point? I remember in the very late 90's when the economy was booming, fuel consumption was as high as ever, and we were paying 55p / litre. I refuse to believe that conditions have changed so much that we need to pay so much. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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