imi Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Thats terrible, the country is truely fu##ed! But we all knew that already. the people are the country.....and the country are the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 can we actually find this guy and pay his fine ? i would put a tenner in then that would mean finding another 44 people who think like me that this is totally wrong some one in grimsby know where Augustine Avenue is ? great idea, u'd be up for contributing to the fund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyotasupra1980 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 police always trying to rip people off and grab as much money as they can, if its not speed camara's its the usual stopping for no reason and saying you were speeding or your number plate is positioned at the wrong angle bullshit, they hate being shown up and will do anything to get there own back even if it mean the police actually breaking the law them selves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra steveo Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 great idea, u'd be up for contributing to the fund. erm..... yeah, did u miss the i will put a tenner in bit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra steveo Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 although it might seem like a shameless publicity stunt to mention the club's generosity to the local newspaper. good, then if we do get a mention in a news paper it will just be something to keep to say " i was involved in that ", and also might bring the old toyota mkiv supra into the public eye, then some one head office in toyota may happen to read the newspaper, see it and think what the hell did we stop making that car for and what an awesome bunch of owners .............. hey presto mkv supra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTRickeh Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 This is ridiculous. The guy has been prosecuted for "obstructing a police officer in the course of her duties". Not for actually flashing his lights. The problem with that is that it's effectively prosecuting someone for them telling someone not to do something otherwise they'll get nicked. So if anyone is planning to rob a bank, I can't tell you "not to do it because you'll get nicked", as that would be obstructing the police. Absolutely. Did this guy actually have a lawyer? They say this prosecution was 'in the public interest', I don't think so! Certainly isn't going to deter me from doing the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 This is ridiculous. The guy has been prosecuted for "obstructing a police officer in the course of her duties". Not for actually flashing his lights. The problem with that is that it's effectively prosecuting someone for them telling someone not to do something otherwise they'll get nicked. So if anyone is planning to rob a bank, I can't tell you "not to do it because you'll get nicked", as that would be obstructing the police. So, can we apply this way of thinking to those that plant speed limit and speed trap signs? I am all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 This is ridiculous. The guy has been prosecuted for "obstructing a police officer in the course of her duties". Not for actually flashing his lights. The problem with that is that it's effectively prosecuting someone for them telling someone not to do something otherwise they'll get nicked. So if anyone is planning to rob a bank, I can't tell you "not to do it because you'll get nicked", as that would be obstructing the police. Really good point. Not at all sure what this action is trying to acheive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 This guy just cost them a few prospective customers, afterall. How would you like it if someone was waving customers past your shop window and telling them that you're closed? It's just more proof that it's more about the money and less to do with safety.! My understanding is that fines go to central funds (government), not the police of CPS so I don't think the above it correct nor makes sense. Perhaps someone could confirm? as the abuse of power is only going to get more egregious .! How is following a law an abuse of power? The fact the law was used by the Police service, then the CPS (not connected with the Police) then the Courts (not connected with Police or CPS) suggests to me that it was not an abuse of the law, just a very strict (and perhaps unfair) application of the law. the ultimate goal (or the first major step towards it) and would be easy to implement with brainwashed Sheeple like these cops/courts around. You summed up my thoughts on the above quite nicely Of course, that's just a lunatic conspiracy theory Not at all sure what this action is trying to acheive. Neither I. That said, we are never told the full story. Likely the bloke was parking horizontally across the road with a high powered flood lamp making morse code messages to oncoming cars despite 6 warnings not to and complaints from light blinded drivers. The news of course would report it as OAP arrested (and raped) for innocently trying to protect the general public. Edit: Whats happened to the Avatar. I liked the cute rounded face... not sure long hair and odd ears suit you although without the glasses you would like rather like my wife (which is a scary thought I promise). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I wasn't sure when I first saw it, I assumed it was perveting the course of justice or something. Then I thought it's only illegal because he's using his main beam for the wrong purpose, and I assume he didn't admit to that at the time. But reading the story linked it's all the wrong way around! Speed cameras are there to slow people down in accident blackspots, and that's what he was helping to do, so unless they want to do him for inproper use of his main beam they can't do anything!! Very odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Absolutely ridiculous. Speed cameras are bad enough. They're basically admitting that they're out to catch the general public out to get a bit of money. He's completely right in his defence. Poor bloke. [sHOCK][/sHOCK] A criminal record for flashing his lights? I do it by accident sometimes when I'm indicating and very diliberately at people who forget to turn them on when it's dark. I've seen it loads of times. What about people who leave their raised beams on too long or having only one working headlamp? They're so common now that it must be about one in twenty vehicles. Exactly. He was fined for 'wilfully obstructing a police officer in the course of her duties' though. What I'm wondering is if he said he was flashing to tell another motorist to turn their lights or something similar, would he have got away with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 He should have said he admitted to the offence of improper use of vehicle lighting. Obstructing a police officer in the course of her duty implies her duty on that day was an order to catch motorists speeding, which goes against the speed camera campaigns that tell us they are there as a deterrant to slow people down in accident blackspots. If the aim of cameras and warning signs is to slow people down then he wasn't obstructing her duties, he was helping them albeit with improper use of his vehicle lighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 He should have said he admitted to the offence of improper use of vehicle lighting. Obstructing a police officer in the course of her duty implies her duty on that day was an order to catch motorists speeding, which goes against the speed camera campaigns that tell us they are there as a deterrant to slow people down in accident blackspots. If the aim of cameras and warning signs is to slow people down then he wasn't obstructing her duties, he was helping them albeit with improper use of his vehicle lighting. Good post. See if you can find him and represent him in court. Maybe you could win him some money in compensation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Neither I. That said, we are never told the full story. Likely the bloke was parking horizontally across the road with a high powered flood lamp making morse code messages to oncoming cars despite 6 warnings not to and complaints from light blinded drivers. The news of course would report it as OAP arrested (and raped) for innocently trying to protect the general public. Edit: Whats happened to the Avatar. I liked the cute rounded face... not sure long hair and odd ears suit you although without the glasses you would like rather like my wife (which is a scary thought I promise). Actually although you're a bit far fetched it could have been more like that. It did say he flashed at least 7 times. Re the av: I changed my hair colour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I've read the article and I can't understand how he was 'caught' for this. If he just drove past and flashed a few drivers coming the other way then I can't see it - how would the police in the van know? Is there more to this story Like Marbleapple has said? Either way, there are some 'real' criminals out there that get fined less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraMan Mk4 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Im in for a tenner if we decide to get enough people together topay it as a club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 This is how bad it's become; some members are actually trying to justify this flagrant abuse of our civil liberties by claiming that he probably deserved it anyway. Have you seen the video interview? He said that whoever pulled him over was going to let him off until he questioned their decision etc. So they were obviously determined to make him pay. I'm surprised they didn't taze him while they were at it and claim that he was resisting arrest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Im in for a tenner if we decide to get enough people together topay it as a club. Actually not a bad idea. Try and rally some of the other enthusiast and car clubs and get 450 people to pay £1 or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Hold on.... So without understanding the full story or the fact the he potentially gave the police grief so they threw the book at him instead, and you want to send him money. Can I suggest that it would probably be better off in your own pocket or at least in a real charity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Hold on.... So without understanding the full story or the fact the he potentially gave the police grief so they threw the book at him instead, and you want to send him money. Can I suggest that it would probably be better off in your own pocket or at least in a real charity. Also, flashing your lights is actually specifically banned in the highway code for all uses except letting other motorists know of your presence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Also, flashing your lights is actually specifically banned in the highway code for all uses except letting other motorists know of your presence. Was just about to post this as well He was fined £175 and ordered to pay £250 costs after being found guilty of willfully obstructing a police officer in the course of her duties. That is a valid offense, and guess what, he got caught... and more than likely kicked off and got the book for failing the 'attitude' test. Ladies and Gents, the guy was wrong and ACTUALLY committed an offense, whether you agree with it or not, that is the law... can't choose which ones you like. Still if you really want to send money somewhere... I got caught speeding way back and it cost me £1.5k, if 1500 people send me a £1, I'll be £1500 better off, and I thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 He should have said he admitted to the offence of improper use of vehicle lighting. Obstructing a police officer in the course of her duty implies her duty on that day was an order to catch motorists speeding, which goes against the speed camera campaigns that tell us they are there as a deterrant to slow people down in accident blackspots. If the aim of cameras and warning signs is to slow people down then he wasn't obstructing her duties, he was helping them albeit with improper use of his vehicle lighting. Spot on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Was just about to post this as well That is a valid offense, and guess what, he got caught... and more than likely kicked off and got the book for failing the 'attitude' test. Ladies and Gents, the guy was wrong and ACTUALLY committed an offense, whether you agree with it or not, that is the law... can't choose which ones you like. Still if you really want to send money somewhere... I got caught speeding way back and it cost me £1.5k, if 1500 people send me a £1, I'll be £1500 better off, and I thank you Surely the law he broke was using his lights improperly though. In the circumstance it doesn't seem like he's really obstructing a police officer. I don't know the full story though, can't watch the video at work. He might have kicked off a bit more than he should have and the police made an example of him. £1.5k sounds like a very expensive speeding fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Also, flashing your lights is actually specifically banned in the highway code for all uses except letting other motorists know of your presence. He wasn't done for that though. He could have been caught waving his bum out the window with "Speed Trap" tattooed on his cheeks, the offence was obstructing a police officer, which I don't believe he was doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 He wasn't done for that though. He could have been caught waving his bum out the window with "Speed Trap" tattooed on his cheeks, the offence was obstructing a police officer, which I don't believe he was doing. That wasn't my point - I was only stating that he was breaking the highway code regardless. Were you there? How can you say you don't believe he was obstructing a police officer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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