Kopite Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 schumacher would of romped it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 schumacher would of romped it Thats what they say, dont they. He is supposed to be the fittest man on the circuit (correct me if i am wrong). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 bridgestone brough a tyre along that didnt fail in such a spectacular manner...michelin thought they knew better. Michelin are at fault, why should the bridgestone runners take any sort of penalty because Michelin are so thick they couldnt work out what sort of tyre they needed. JB They should have done it in the interest of the spectators, in the interest of the sport rather than being selfish bastids and egotistical gits. If the 'boot' was on the other foot do you think Williams or McLaren wouldnt take the chance to put the knife in...JB yup...they would have...they would act in the interest of the sport - for a start I dont remember team orders in either of these teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Well, the con artists enjoyed it every one bit too....but didnt want to show it. Well said!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon F Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Branners is right - if it had been the Bridgestones that were failing, there's no way that the Michelin runners would have agreed a chicane either. F1 isnt a sport anymore, so any chance to put one over a rival team will be gleefully grabbed with both hands. The sad thing aout the whole affair is the way that the paying fan is treated. Ecclestone, the FIA and the teams really dont give a monkeys about the guy who pays to get through the gate. All you have to do is look at all the security fences round the F1 paddock when the GP comes to Silverstone. The paying spectator isn't welcome to come into the paddock and have a look at the cars. Interesting that some of the fans leaving early had only paid 60 bucks for their tickets. I haven't seen any £40 race day deals for Silverstone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 F1 isnt a sport anymore Exactly, its all about the money etc, thats what makes this farce even more astonishing as they've just blown any chance of making a foot hold in the largest market on earth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 I totally agree with Gordon and John. Just watch a bit of my recording and could not believe that this could not have been sorted out to preserve some form of dignity for the sport. F1 was a joke anyway, now it has turned itself into a complete commercial farce. GT racing is the way to go. 60$ sounds about right as we get totally shafted for everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Exactly, its all about the money etc, thats what makes this farce even more astonishing as they've just blown any chance of making a foot hold in the largest market on earth True. But any sport today that involves a lot of money is not a 'sport' anymore. Its a business. About not getting into the largest market in the world, IMO, F1 would be more interesting being 'European' than have some rich american companies buy the teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 They should have had an egg and spoon race plus a mum and dads race, just like a school sports day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon F Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Exactly, its all about the money etc, thats what makes this farce even more astonishing as they've just blown any chance of making a foot hold in the largest market on earth was never gonna happen anyway Bob. They have been going there for 6 years and are still having to give away a lot of free and cheap ($60) tickets to fill the stands on race day. Drag racing, then Nascar, are the most popular motorsports in the US by miles. IRL and Champ Car come a long way behind them, and F1 is further down the line. (after today - quite rightly) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 The Formula One teams who are supplied by Michelin sended out the following joint press release: The Michelin teams deeply regret the position that they have been put in today and would like to apologise to all the spectators, TV viewers, Formula One fans and sponsors for not being able to take part in today's USA Grand Prix. Following Ralf Schumacher's accident on Friday morning, we were advised by Michelin that none of the tyres that were available to the teams could be used unless the vehicle speed in turn 13 was reduced. Without this Michelin did not consider the tyre to be safe to be used for the race. All the teams are confident in Michelin and trust their advice as we know they are competent and responsible and their written instruction to us not to race unless changes to the circuit were made was accepted. After final data from Michelin became available at 06.30 on Sunday morning it became clear that Michelin were not able to guarantee the safety of the drivers. Numerous discussions and meetings took place to find a safe solution to the problem. Every possibility for the race to go ahead in a safe manner was explored. The only practical solution was for a chicane to be installed prior to Turn 13 and nine of the teams were prepared to run under these conditions even forgoing championship points or by allowing non-Michelin teams to take top positions on the grid. Unfortunately all proposals were rejected by the FIA. Safety is always the first concern of any team and the FIA. Regrettably the teams were obliged to follow Michelin's requirements not to race. We are totally aware that the USA is an important market for Formula One and there is an obligation for Formula One to promote itself in a positive and professional manner. It is sad that we couldn't showcase Formula One in the manner we would have liked today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 They should have had an egg and spoon race plus a mum and dads race, just like a school sports day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 bridgestone brough a tyre along that didnt fail in such a spectacular manner...michelin thought they knew better. Michelin are at fault, why should the bridgestone runners take any sort of penalty because Michelin are so thick they couldnt work out what sort of tyre they needed. get your facts right. The Michelin teams were prepared to race for NO POINTS in the interest of the spectators in the interest of the sport. They were prepared to let the Bridgestone teams to start from the front... If the 'boot' was on the other foot do you think Williams or McLaren wouldnt take the chance to put the knife in... Well, 7 teams including most of the TOP teams in the sport as supposed to 3 teams, ferrari and two left overs.......so you are probably right, and they would be fully justified to do so...however it wouldnt have been their decision, but i am sure you knew that. I do admit it ruined what could have been a great race, but blaming the FIA and Ferrari for the fact that Michelin choose the wrong tyre purely based on the fact that they had to push the limits of their tyres further than Bridgestone to get similar performance is just nuts. JB The buck stops with the FIA regardless of who was actually at fault...they are the governing body and today just confirms that they are NOT fit to be in this position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon F Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 get your facts right. The Michelin teams were prepared to race for NO POINTS in the interest of the spectators in the interest of the sport. They were prepared to let the Bridgestone teams to start from the front... Even if this is true, it still wouldn't have been a particularly attractive proposition for Ferrari (or Jordan or Minardi) What would be the chances of tripping over a car that was racing for no points when you were lapping them or coming back from a pit stop? Reasonably high, I would have thought. The buck stops with the FIA regardless of who was actually at fault...they are the governing body and today just confirms that they are NOT fit to be in this position. Not really. It would be like FIFA deciding to ignore the offside rule in a World Cup game because some people were struggling with it. The blame is fair and square at Michelin's door. They would have been advised by the FIA of any re-surfacing at the circuit, and even if they hadn't, surely they would have sent someone to look at the circuit long before the teams arrived there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt T Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Not really. It would be like FIFA deciding to ignore the offside rule in a World Cup game because some people were struggling with it. The blame is fair and square at Michelin's door. They would have been advised by the FIA of any re-surfacing at the circuit, and even if they hadn't, surely they would have sent someone to look at the circuit long before the teams arrived there? The initial blame can be held on Michelin yes, and indeed they have admitted the tyre choice was a mistake and was willing to provide a solution. But it is down to the FIA, the race organisers and good old Bernie that no solution was provided come the race! They needed to see that the damage of this stretches further than one single race, it affects the future of F1, and imo should have come to some kind of agreement in order for a full field to 'race' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 get your facts right. The Michelin teams were prepared to race for NO POINTS in the interest of the spectators in the interest of the sport. They were prepared to let the Bridgestone teams to start from the front... apparently it wasn't up to the teams - Michelin refused to supply them with tyres that they couldn't gurantee would be safe, so the team's didn't have much choice really. I believe it is mainly Michelin's fault for not gettin their tyres to a safe standard for all tracks. The FAI should of worked out something better though than 6 cars runnin round.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon F Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 get your facts right. The Michelin teams were prepared to race for NO POINTS in the interest of the spectators in the interest of the sport. They were prepared to let the Bridgestone teams to start from the front. Only if they put a chicane in though. This will damage F1 in the States, a market that they were struggling with anyway, and have been for the last 20 years. There are 4 races in 5 weeks starting next month in Magny Cours and then going on to Silverstone, Hockenheim and Budapest. As most tickets will have been bought already, I can't see this affecting F1 in Europe at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Even if this is true It is. Not really. It would be like FIFA deciding to ignore the offside rule in a World Cup game because some people were struggling with it. The blame is fair and square at Michelin's door. They would have been advised by the FIA of any re-surfacing at the circuit, and even if they hadn't, surely they would have sent someone to look at the circuit long before the teams arrived there? Dont know about football so not sure about the analogy here. In F1, the buck stops with the FIA (they make the rules, change the rules..do whatever they want year by year)...it wasnt a team decision..yes, based on historic data one can say that the decisions made by the FIA have been influences by a certain team. According to James Allen, Bridgestone were tipped about the resurfacing by their mother company Firestone as they had to develop new tyres for the indy race a month earlier. Michelin obviously didnt have access to this information. - I'm not suggesting that its Bridgestone fault here at all, it still is Michelins, however the buck stops with the FIA and they are responsible for the 120K disgrunted paying spectators, 8 million ITV viewers and god knows how many international viewers. Bunch of numbnuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Only if they put a chicane in though. This will damage F1 in the States, a market that they were struggling with anyway, and have been for the last 20 years. There are 4 races in 5 weeks starting next month in Magny Cours and then going on to Silverstone, Hockenheim and Budapest. As most tickets will have been bought already, I can't see this affecting F1 in Europe at all. Well i have already got my ticket for Silverstone and i cant wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Only if they put a chicane in though. This will damage F1 in the States, a market that they were struggling with anyway, and have been for the last 20 years. There are 4 races in 5 weeks starting next month in Magny Cours and then going on to Silverstone, Hockenheim and Budapest. As most tickets will have been bought already, I can't see this affecting F1 in Europe at all. It makes business sense to have a long term view of the sport rather than short term gains.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 OK well I'd like to point out before I say anything, that obviously any opinion I have here is mine and mine alone, and may not resemble the opinion of the company I work for. OK now that's out the way... What a crock of shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 OK well I'd like to point out before I say anything, that obviously any opinion I have here is mine and mine alone, and may not resemble the opinion of the company I work for. OK now that's out the way... What a crock of shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 OK well I'd like to point out before I say anything, that obviously any opinion I have here is mine and mine alone, and may not resemble the opinion of the company I work for. OK now that's out the way... What a crock of shit. LOL.....what company is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Hmmm well lets just say we DIDN'T race today. My Boss has been saying for years, "We'll all be out of job come this time next year!" I recon this time he may well be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon F Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Obviously one that was sat on two sets of Michelins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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