imi Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 I guess if I was Shiekh Makhdoom, the owner of A1 Grand Prix - I wouldnt be too dissappointed. Initially the idea was that the A1 grand prix would complement the F1 season by running during the F1 off reason...by the way things are going...looks like there wont be a F1 season to worry about.. I hope this is the end of the FIA, Ferrari and that little piece of work...ecclestone.. AND I HOPE THAT BARRACHELLO WINs.....dont think ferrari; the sporty team that they are will allow that..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Here's a question regarding this tyre problem....if the tyre company were saying there's no way that their tyres could last the whole race why did the F1 bosses not just (for one race only) enforce compulsary pit-stops for tyre changes every, say, 20 laps ? EVERY car would have HAD to have come in during a fixed tyre change block ... so say between 17 and 20 laps, then 34 to 37 laps, etc. Surely the tyres fitted would have survived a stint on the track even if they couldn't last the whole race ? Or have i not heard the full story and the tyres actually can't handle even, say, 5 laps ? Digger....please be serious... there is no room for common sense this is the FIA and Ferrari we are talking about.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom S Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Well, we still have the BBs !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Here's a question regarding this tyre problem....if the tyre company were saying there's no way that their tyres could last the whole race why did the F1 bosses not just (for one race only) enforce compulsary pit-stops for tyre changes every, say, 20 laps ? EVERY car would have HAD to have come in during a fixed tyre change block ... so say between 17 and 20 laps, then 34 to 37 laps, etc. Surely the tyres fitted would have survived a stint on the track even if they couldn't last the whole race ? Or have i not heard the full story and the tyres actually can't handle even, say, 5 laps ? The tires could go out in as fast as one lap! Also with the new regulations you can only change tires when there is obviously something wrong with them. You cant really see how weak a tirewall is. And if you change a tire, you have to change it with one that has about the same wear, ie a tire thats been used in free practise! Bullsh!t!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldudereno Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Ferrari, the Manchester United of motor racing, the team we all like to hate! The Ferrari should have agreed to the chicane, there's no doubt about it, there wouldn't be any F1 if it wasn't for the fans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Bridgestone would of objected to that and said if they had had a problem and had to withdraw from a race, only 6 runners would of withdrawn and they might not of carried as much weight in an argument as the 7 teams on Michelin can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trig Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Or have i not heard the full story and the tyres actually can't handle even, say, 5 laps ? Think R schumacers tyre burst after just 1 fast lap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Ferrari, the Manchester United of motor racing, the team we all like to hate! The Ferrari should have agreed to the chicane, there's no doubt about it, there wouldn't be any F1 if it wasn't for the fans! I think it was jordan who didnt agree, well thats what they said on ITV... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom S Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Why do people always want to rag on manchester United, the thread is about motor racing you fool, leave it that way !! :thumbdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Agree with everything above. I'm looking forward to the A1 racing. I just hope - that the governing body of A1 racing learns from what a fuck up the FIA have done .. and DON'T repeat it. Paul Stoddard's interview - seemed to hit the nail on the head. Though there was abit of inconsistancy between Paul's interview and someother guy from Minardi ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 I think it was jordan who didnt agree, well thats what they said on ITV... Thought it was ferrari. Oh well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 and to 2 ferraris almost come together!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Thought it was ferrari. Oh well it was Ferrari but then Jordan decided they'd run too, then Minardi said they couldn't afford Jordan getting that many points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Why is everyone blaming the FIA and Ferrari? The fact is that Michelin brought a tyre which all their teams couldn't race on. Therefore the entire blame on the preceedings to this farce is all on Michelin. This then comes to the situation of trying to get a race on the go.... Michelin were offered the opportunity of flying in a new compound tyre (which would have arrived on Sunday morning!). This new compound tyre is a harder compound and therefore not as grippy as the Bridgestone's. Michelin did not want to do this and therefore they tried to get a chicane built...... by taking this arrogant decision it meant that the Bridgestone runners would be disadvantaged due to a mistake by Michelin. Thats the way I see it. It does show up the true situation behind the scenes of F1... that being they are all a bunch of idiots and nobody is capable of making a decision. The US GP has demonstrated to me why I no longer watch F1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Ferrari, the Manchester United of motor racing, the team we all like to hate! bloody good reasons to hate Ferrari too, and whats happened today just further emphasises the point. FIA + Ferrari = in bed together. as soon as M Schumi retires - I hope he takes Ferrari down with him. That would be a Motorsport Fan's dream come true. Shumi just pushed Barachello off the track.....Imbecile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 I think it was jordan who didnt agree, well thats what they said on ITV... ferrari didnt agree. 9 other teams did, but Jordan boss 'the business man' pulled out of the agreement and said we will race. so Minardi couldnt afford to being a independant team afford not to race and let their main competor get ahead in championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Michelin were offered the opportunity of flying in a new compound tyre (which would have arrived on Sunday morning!). This new compound tyre is a harder compound and therefore not as grippy as the Bridgestone's. Michelin did not want to do this and therefore they tried to get a chicane built...... It said michelin had flown in tyres, but fia i think said they couldnt use them as it would be breaking 5 regulations i think they said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trig Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 I agree with AJI, but i think the FIA were to blame to some extent as the tyres were shipped in, but i think the FIA stopped them as it would break some regulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trig Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 It said michelin had flown in tyres, but fia i think said they couldnt use them as it would be breaking 5 regulations i think they said Yeah what he said lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 yeah but to break some silly 5 FIA regulations is not as bad as not running at all is it? so what if the teams that did run on the flown in tyre got penalised... at least they could have had cars on the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Don't blame Ferrari for wanting to get some good points but they couln't give a bloody toss about somehow putting a race on for the millions of loyal supporters. They're the only team that won't agree to less testing to reduce costs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Why is everyone blaming the FIA and Ferrari? The fact is that Michelin brought a tyre which all their teams couldn't race on. Therefore the entire blame on the preceedings to this farce is all on Michelin. This then comes to the situation of trying to get a race on the go.... Michelin were offered the opportunity of flying in a new compound tyre (which would have arrived on Sunday morning!). This new compound tyre is a harder compound and therefore not as grippy as the Bridgestone's. Michelin did not want to do this and therefore they tried to get a chicane built...... by taking this arrogant decision it meant that the Bridgestone runners would be disadvantaged due to a mistake by Michelin. Thats the way I see it. youre the only one mate. Michelin made a mistake and brought a tyre that wasnt fit for the job (one off the reasons for that is the recent resurfacing of the track for the indy cars which firestone and mother company of bridgestone were aware off - so inside information if you like that bridgestone were privy to) - Michelin guaranteed the tyre provided the chicane was built - Michelin teams can only race if michelin guarantee the safety of the tyre. - FIA didnt want to build the chicane FIA & Ferrari have something in common...both dont give a toss about the INTEREST OF THE SPECTATORS.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 M. Schumacher = cause of problems. Do you really think any other driver would have got away with everything that he did. Remember 2 races ago when he almost bumped his brother off. Now his own team mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 FIA & Ferrari have something in common...both dont give a toss about the INTEREST OF THE SPECTATORS.... Did you watch the fans being interviewed??? They were all blaming the teams running michelins. LOL, how thick are these Americans. God help them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 yeah but how could Michelin guarentee the tyre on a new chicane with no test data? which ever way you look at it ... it is Michelin to blame and not the FIA or Ferrari. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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