supra_aero Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I think whilst it had to be done, trippling the fees effectively overnight is not the right thing but something had to be done. I do feel gratefully sorry for the youth today. Its very unfair they must be burden with such huge amount of debt. I don't get why the government doesn't cut benefits further rather than cut investment in those investing in their own future with a true aspiration of working within society for the rest of their lives and payback the investment many times over in taxes. What do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Its wrong, full stop. All education should be free. Consider this... The country is in the sh1tter - too many layabouts, scroungers and greedy bankers. The government would like more taxes. So, you educate the up and coming generations FOC, they achieve greater heights through more gainful employment, end up in better paid jobs and end up paying far more back to the state in tax, VAT and general input into the economy through higher salaries than the state ever invested in them to educate them to those levels in the first place. Charge those that drop out by all means! Whacking up tuition fees is a knee-jerk, short-termist solution to a problem that the government fails to see logic through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I dont see what all the fuss is about, from what I understand you dont pay it back until you get a job the interest is minimal and if you are not earning a great deal you pay less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlliRR Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 +1, and I dunno who's getting it free here in scotland, I owe over 18k for my degrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted December 9, 2010 Author Share Posted December 9, 2010 I dont see what all the fuss is about, from what I understand you dont pay it back until you get a job the interest is minimal and if you are not earning a great deal you pay less I used to think that. But its a ridiculous stealth tax on my pay slip. I've been working since uni and after hitting the bracket threshold when I finally landed a good job its like £225 per month out of my pay slip. And its been hitting me like that for nearly 5 years!!! Almost paid it all off now thank goodness. Now if I had gone to uni now at the new proposed fees, I'd be paying that stealth tax of £225 on any job for 15 years!!! And that's assuming you do a 3 year course. I feel so sorry for doctors and those who are on 4-5 year courses. Its wrong, full stop. All education should be free. Consider this... The country is in the sh1tter - too many layabouts, scroungers and greedy bankers. The government would like more taxes. So, you educate the up and coming generations FOC, they achieve greater heights through more gainful employment, end up in better paid jobs and end up paying far more back to the state in tax, VAT and general input into the economy through higher salaries than the state ever invested in them to educate them to those levels in the first place. Charge those that drop out by all means! Whacking up tuition fees is a knee-jerk, short-termist solution to a problem that the government fails to see logic through Agree entirely except greedy banker part - lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 As far as I’m concerned, the whole country is taking a hit financially and I don’t see why students should be exempt from it. Not increasing fees will mean everyone else takes a bigger hit for it. Going to Uni should mean that you come out the other end with increased earning potential. This may make the 3 years of a p!ss up students think twice. And in any event, there is an improvement to the pay back system too. I can totally understand potential students being annoyed though, it's money out of their pockets, and no one likes that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 P.s, I think there should be another cat in list for 'increase justified but not as much'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilkinson Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Not totally convinced about the cost, although I left University in 2001 owing £12,500 in student loans and on top of this paid tuition fees. The problem I see with University these days, and I include when I was there, is that it is far to easy to get into. 50 years ago few people went to university, yes it was financial inhibitive then, but it was also a lot harder to get into, Universities were more selective and the quality of candidates much higher. As a result of this University graduates were regarded in high esteem by employers and regardless of subject there was an understanding that they would have a good level of english and maths. This unfortunately is not the case today!! Labour chronically devalued the University system by implying we all had the right to attend. I believe on the other hand that it should be more selective and the criteria far higher than today. Unfortunately this all stems from a completely preposterous educational system where kids don't go to school to learn subjects but instead to learn how to pass exams in a subject. I was very glad to hear that they are reverting A levels back to the old system and I think they should go further to remove modular subject assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 What we need is an independent body that can set maximum fees based on course. That way, people can be steered towards the type of education that the government need them to have (for the benefit of society). The system would have to be tiered, so that an appropriate balance of culture, art, science, commerce, etc. can be maintained. So every course would be classified by this body, then for whichever classifications they want more people doing, education establishments are forced to keep the first X places with lower fees. So, for example, maybe ALL "Medical" degrees would be fee-free, but only 100 places nationwide would be fee-free on "Dance" or "Latin" degrees, with establishments free to charge higher rates for further placements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted December 9, 2010 Author Share Posted December 9, 2010 As far as I’m concerned, the whole country is taking a hit financially and I don’t see why students should be exempt from it. Not increasing fees will mean everyone else takes a bigger hit for it. Going to Uni should mean that you come out the other end with increased earning potential. This may make the 3 years of a p!ss up students think twice. And in any event, there is an improvement to the pay back system too. I do agree. My 3 years was the most drunken years of my life. I agree it had to go up - way too many people go to uni simply because "its the thing to do", rather than any real vested interest in it. But 300% increase in fees overnight was not the way to do it. They should do what the rail companies do. 15% up per year. People complain but not enough to riot and you get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted December 9, 2010 Author Share Posted December 9, 2010 Live rioting for those who want more analysis . http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11566509 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 What we need is an independent body that can set maximum fees based on course. That way, people can be steered towards the type of education that the government need them to have (for the benefit of society). The system would have to be tiered, so that an appropriate balance of culture, art, science, commerce, etc. can be maintained. So every course would be classified by this body, then for whichever classifications they want more people doing, education establishments are forced to keep the first X places with lower fees. So, for example, maybe ALL "Medical" degrees would be fee-free, but only 100 places nationwide would be fee-free on "Dance" or "Latin" degrees, with establishments free to charge higher rates for further placements. That is actually a fantastic idea, albeit a little socialistic . I'd agree with something of that nature, gentle steering to the disciplines that are in demand in the UK by incentives....BUT doubt it will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Just Watching Sky News and wow! Can't believe so many students got out of bed to rally. When are they going to realise that taxpayers, the economy, and the job market cannot continue to subsidise Art History degrees, Jeremy Kyle viewing figures and mass piss-ups? Richie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted December 9, 2010 Author Share Posted December 9, 2010 Snooze that was a v.v.good idea. As usual parliament are not bright enough to utilise such an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I also think there's too much pressure on kids to go to uni nowadays. Most jobs out there require nothing from a degree. They require good on the job experiance and common sense. I'd say 95% of the people in my office have a degree of some sort. Those degrees are predominately irrelevant to how well they can do the job. Are higher fees going to stop people from going to uni to do useful degrees that are important to the economy? No, because a decent degree is a path to the useful jobs that hand out higher salaries - because they are only doable by the countries elite. That is what uni should be about - accessible to all, regardless of financial situation, but you're only in if you're very bright. Increased fees will not change accessibility, but it should assist with the later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 The country is indeed in the sh1tter , but through mal investment ,and economic mismanagement and educational mismanagement There should be free education ,and an end to the dozens of pointless ,oversubscribed degrees with no possible job at the end of it . You can get a Mcdonalds foundation degree! you tell me just how hard it can be to flip burgers and order more in !! Free useful degrees and media studies,sports science,basket weaving etc you pay for your own folly .... Without a proper economic direction then there will not be Jobs to pay back any fees or achieve any better paid jobs or even gainful employment . Cutting benefits is a just a means of pretending we will pay back the debts we owe , that can really only be paid back by economic growth , this in turn needs some economy that we can grow in and education to suit that new economy .We no longer have cheap internal energy so have to be even smarter with the economy !! As it stands the youth are going to be bent over and shafted time and time again ,whilst the older generation sit back and say "we deserved our money" GEN x and GEN y , Bend Over !! YOU will pay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted December 9, 2010 Author Share Posted December 9, 2010 Some stunning girls at that riot. I know where I am clubbin tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Completely free higher education is ridiculous. The situation would be worse than it is now with people going to uni for a knees up. Everyone should be educated to a specific level. Going to uni is a career choice. Why should Mr 'I didn't go to uni and I work for Tesco on basic wage' pay for people to go to uni to potentially earn loads more than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted December 9, 2010 Author Share Posted December 9, 2010 I think most people agree fees should go up and dare I say "mickey mouse" degrees need to be contained or restricted by a prohobitive cost to ensure only those really interested apply. I tried to change the poll to add the option of 'increase fees but not as much' but not sure how now to do that :S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I'm a student, and i'm more than happy with the increase IMO alot of people are under the impression that our economic problems will solve themselves. Students have had it too easy for too long, time to pay something back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alan3579 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 The problem we will all be facing, and are facing now to a point, is to many quallified people and not enough jobs for them. We will have, very soon, hundreds of thousands of people with letters after their names, and no prospects of getting a suitable job. Making it harder to get into university will help with time. And it's not just people without a higher education that are on the dole, what do you think students do if they cant get a job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 It took me 10 years to pay off my student loans, and I only had ~£9k debts IIRC, they'll owe much more than that after a single year now. Good, bloody lay-about students, get some real work done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 The problem is there are two different areas... Those with money and those without which affects who goes to uni, and those who WANT to go and those that are going for the sake of it. They are conflicting areas though, because you will always get those without money who want to go who could be the next hawkins, but will never get the chance, and vice versa there are those with money who go for the 3yr piss up. As with most things in life, there is no simple answer, but I for one would suspend students at the riots, if they are out rioting they aren't interested in their education..... (cat in the pigeons time ) When I went to uni (3 times), it was out of my family's pocket, there was no assistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Part-time and holiday work can pay enough to cover _most_ of the £9000 per year that was mentioned, and let's face it - most students have plenty of free time in which to do that work unless they are studying hardcore subjects like physics or somesuch. If they want the degree that much, they'll manage to work through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I'm a student, and i'm more than happy with the increase IMO alot of people are under the impression that our economic problems will solve themselves. Students have had it too easy for too long, time to pay something back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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