Swampy442 Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/singapore/8109377/Qantas-grounds-A380-fleet-after-mid-air-emergency.html Qantas grounds A380 fleet after mid-air emergency - Telegraph Check out picture 2, Rolls Royce will probably be papping themselves right now. Baggsy go round the world inspecting engines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I saw this before. Took them an hour to circle and dump fuel prior to landing. My anus would be going at 10Hz there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I'm flying to Oz with them on the 9th!? err... Apparently they're the safest airline in the world, and the only airline in the world to have *full* 24/7 engineering teams at every airport they use... when apparently most airlines don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I'm flying to Oz with them on the 9th!? err... Apparently they're the safest airline in the world, and the only airline in the world to have *full* 24/7 engineering teams at every airport they use... when apparently most airlines don't. According to The Rain Man they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I'm flying to Oz with them on the 9th!? err... Apparently they're the safest airline in the world, and the only airline in the world to have *full* 24/7 engineering teams at every airport they use... when apparently most airlines don't. Er , how many times would you think they de-ice, or land in Snow, or Fog,rain, in the highly congested, mountainous , airways of Oz?- lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Emirates will be feeling rather smug with themselves today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Shares dropped 30p today. Can expect them to keep falling. I was counting the money too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I can imagine a few peeps will be getting off with brown pants then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 If it was safe enough to circle the skies for an hour then there wasn't too much of an emergency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTIN R Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 If it was safe enough to circle the skies for an hour then there wasn't too much of an emergency. That was what I was thinking, it was hardly about to free fall 10,000s of feet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertwo Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 If it was safe enough to circle the skies for an hour then there wasn't too much of an emergency. Well, probably safer than landing over weight which in turn means that there's every possibility of the tyres popping, and debris smashing into goodness knows what sort of component - such as the Concorde incident at Paris. Remember how well that turned out? Or worse, the struts might not be able to support the aircraft, meaning the whole thing becomes a 200 MPH sled with more fuel and combustable material than you can shake a stick at. Or, you could stay in the air, dumping fuel into the sea and if shit happens, you all take a swim killing nobody but those onboard. Believe me, a piercing in a wing or trailing edge with that sort of damage to an engine IS an emergency. Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 If all the engines on a plane fail and everyone is stuck up there do they carry enough food to keep people fed until they can swap to another plane and get brought down to earth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Glad I am not flying for a while. Surely you should only get worried when you only have one engine left..... H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Well, probably safer than landing over weight which in turn means that there's every possibility of the tyres popping, and debris smashing into goodness knows what sort of component - such as the Concorde incident at Paris. Remember how well that turned out? Or worse, the struts might not be able to support the aircraft, meaning the whole thing becomes a 200 MPH sled with more fuel and combustable material than you can shake a stick at. Or, you could stay in the air, dumping fuel into the sea and if $#@! happens, you all take a swim killing nobody but those onboard. Believe me, a piercing in a wing or trailing edge with that sort of damage to an engine IS an emergency. Josh The Concorde incident, happened on takeoff. If the tyres and struts were ok on takeoff then i rather think they will be fine on landing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertwo Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 The Concorde incident, happened on takeoff. If the tyres and struts were ok on takeoff then i rather think they will be fine on landing! The Concorde incident happened because the tyre failed, the debris was scattered and we had the result we did. My point was that if the aircraft is landing over weight (which it would have been, hence the hour of holding), then the struts and tyres are more prone to a component failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham S Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 The Concorde incident happened because the tyre failed, the debris was scattered and we had the result we did. My point was that if the aircraft is landing over weight (which it would have been, hence the hour of holding), then the struts and tyres are more prone to a component failure. Did it? How did that cause the thing to blow up? Interesting stuff!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Did it? How did that cause the thing to blow up? Interesting stuff!! Delaminated rubber pierced the fuselage and ruptured the fuel tank, causing the fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 That isn't what happened with the concorde guys. I can't remember the exact details but it was a plane coming from Canada that caused the issue. The pilot complained that something was wrong with one of the controls, and that it felt loose. The engineers checked it and found a 'plate' loose, they did a temporary fix on it and logged it to get replaced properly at a later date. It was either when the plane landed or when the plane took off from the French airline that the 'plate' fell off. It wasn't integral to the operation of the craft so the pilot didn't really notice and just put it down to the same problem as before. When the Concorde went out for takeoff it hit this piece of debris which pierced the tyre causing it to explode/delaminate etc and send pieces flying through the fuselage. At the time I was on the course the court case was still on-going. I'm not sure of the outcome but the Canadians were right in the frame for the blame at the time. We were taken through it all in work as part of a Human Factors course (I work for Rolls-Royce) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertwo Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 That isn't what happened with the concorde guys. I can't remember the exact details but it was a plane coming from Canada that caused the issue. The pilot complained that something was wrong with one of the controls, and that it felt loose. The engineers checked it and found a 'plate' loose, they did a temporary fix on it and logged it to get replaced properly at a later date. It was either when the plane landed or when the plane took off from the French airline that the 'plate' fell off. It wasn't integral to the operation of the craft so the pilot didn't really notice and just put it down to the same problem as before. When the Concorde went out for takeoff it hit this piece of debris which pierced the tyre causing it to explode/delaminate etc and send pieces flying through the fuselage. At the time I was on the course the court case was still on-going. I'm not sure of the outcome but the Canadians were right in the frame for the blame at the time. We were taken through it all in work as part of a Human Factors course (I work for Rolls-Royce) That's exactly what we we're saying! I didn't say that the tyre burst for no apparent reason, just that the tyre bursting caused debris to fly everywhere and cause the fatal damage it did. Relating this back to my original post referring to Concorde, I was merely outlining the severity of what can happen when a tyre goes pop. I believe the Aircraft in question was a Continental DC-10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 You wrote the tyre failed though bud. It didn't, it was compromised by the debris. DC-10 rings a bell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanchan Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 The media have picked this up and run with it today! You'd think the plane had suffered total catastrophic engine failure from some reports I've read. Well, probably safer than landing over weight which in turn means that there's every possibility of the tyres popping, and debris smashing into goodness knows what sort of component - such as the Concorde incident at Paris. Remember how well that turned out? I was merely outlining the severity of what can happen when a tyre goes pop. An A380 popped a tyre (or two) on landing earlier this year, also a Qantas plane IRRC, and in Oz. Granted, I don't think it was landing whilst over its' max landing weight, but it still occurred without too much fuss from the media. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/7543065/Tyres-of-Qantas-A380-superjumbo-burst-on-landing.html (snip) That's what I thought was the final outcome of what happened. There's a chap at my work with a copy of the final report about it, no idea how he obtained it though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Fod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 What was the outcome of what happened. The investigation was finished wayyyy before the court case. Not sure what the final outcome of the case was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 It's really not that big a deal losing an engine. The A380 can happily fly with 2 engines, and I expect make a controlled descent and landing with 1. Aircraft engines are designed with a very strong cowling that should contain debris from say a turbine blade failing - they test that kind of thing when building new engines by using explosives on the turbine blades at full takeoff power. The mounts that attach them to the wing are also designed to shear if the engine vibrates too much, so the engine falls off rather than causes damage to the wing. So it's pretty unusual to see damage to the wing as a result of an engine failure, I expect they'll be having a good look at why that happened. Still, that level of damage is not a major drama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 All aeroplanes are designed to be able to fly reasonably on 1 engine. Taking off and landing is where it becomes a problem with big busses like these The cowling does nothing if one of the discs fracture, you just need to hope you aren't in the line of fire. I prefer the chicken testing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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