Tee from China Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 The number of stroker kits available for the 2JZ is getting like a minefield with known kits from HKS,TMS, PHR and BC but I have also found kits from Nitto, Strike Force and Spool (but cannot find any info on Strike Force other than on the TTC site and the Nitto on PHR's site). Plus there is the TMS poor boy 3.2 and the JUN 3.2 - so how is one supposed to choose a kit? price? name? specs? or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 SRD also have one coming out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 To be certain of not getting a Chinese made crank of dubious parentage I'd just get the likes of Farndon or Arrow to make a stroker crank. May cost more, but hell, a stroker project will never be cheap anyway, so at least you can be sure of quality and support the UK businesses. Spool for example is Chinese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 I think he might not mind Chinese products Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 If it's so good why do so many want to get the hell out though? At least he'll be able to read the "warranty" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodalmighty Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 To be certain of not getting a Chinese made crank of dubious parentage I'd just get the likes of Farndon or Arrow to make a stroker crank. May cost more, but hell, a stroker project will never be cheap anyway, so at least you can be sure of quality and support the UK businesses. Spool for example is Chinese. Farndon usually have bargain offers out of season when short of work. Worth waiting for as the price drop is quite worth while. I doubt Doug Kiddy (Arrow) will give you change from 3k mind (That's how much the 3S-GE black top group A cranks were and that's just a 4 pot). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Doug's retired, but will do the odd crank still, he works out of a workshop on a farm now, he ground a steel crank for me a while back. I got a good deal on my Skyline crank from Farndons, as you say, they have slack periods. The good old days of wandering in with a bag of cash seem over though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Reid Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Ludders of RIPS UK R34 Drag-R fame used a Farndon crank and it was found to be cracked in his yearly strip down. RIPZ have replaced it with a stock Nissan item they have more confidence in, he made comment about Fardon not being interested in the failure at all. So I wouldn't automatically assume just because it comes from a UK company you will get any support to fix it if it fails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 The HKS and JUN kits have been on the market for over 10 years and are tried and tested, that's where my money would go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 The HKS and JUN kits have been on the market for over 10 years and are tried and tested, that's where my money would go. I think Leon had a few failiures with HKS strokers:Pling: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 I think Leon had a few failiures with HKS strokers:Pling: Road car or drag racing? Do you know which part(s) let go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Road car or drag racing? Do you know which part(s) let go? The old orange car, crank let go whilst mapping/testing on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 The old orange car, crank let go whilst mapping/testing on the road. Not good. I've sold a few kits over the years and know of a number of cars running them, all still going strong AFAIK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Anyone here running the JUN 3.2L kit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Not good. I've sold a few kits over the years and know of a number of cars running them, all still going strong AFAIK. Could well have been a clearance issue as I believe that car had billet mains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 No matter how good the crank, its only as good as the bearings , the bearings and their strength against detonation , then the det itself . Plus oiling You can break the finest crank , or preserve the poorest (to a degree) RPMS,load,bearings,oil ,det,fatigue cycle - its all a bit Clint -"do you feel lucky?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Huntley Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Finding a Machine shop that you could trust to do the Horiziontal boring in the UK is always a bit dicey! If I was going down this route again I think I would be tempted to buy a pre built block by a company that has a proven track record. Titan and Sound Performance both offer built engine packages although they are not cheap. Thanks Kevin Could well have been a clearance issue as I believe that car had billet mains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodalmighty Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Finding a Machine shop that you could trust to do the Horiziontal boring in the UK is always a bit dicey! If I was going down this route again I think I would be tempted to buy a pre built block by a company that has a proven track record. Titan and Sound Performance both offer built engine packages although they are not cheap. Thanks Kevin That's why I only use Rob Walker for machining and an engine builder who invests in the right tools. His £3000 bore gauge save us from an hour glass shaped cylinder from a supposed reputable machining company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodalmighty Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 No matter how good the crank, its only as good as the bearings , the bearings and their strength against detonation , then the det itself . Plus oiling You can break the finest crank , or preserve the poorest (to a degree) RPMS,load,bearings,oil ,det,fatigue cycle - its all a bit Clint -"do you feel lucky?" It's rare and refreshing to see someone talk about Det as a factor of bearing wear most think of det as only effecting things in the combustion chamber. Even if it doesn't det, sufficient cylinder pressure can cause oil erosion on the bearing surface, seen that on a 700bhp 3S-GTE that we used to monitor the wear rate of components on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee from China Posted October 30, 2010 Author Share Posted October 30, 2010 I think he might not mind Chinese products Ha-ha for some things:eyebrows: - sure but for quality.........never never ever buy Chinese(unless its food...and you saw it BEFOREHAND) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee from China Posted October 30, 2010 Author Share Posted October 30, 2010 If it's so good why do so many want to get the hell out though? At least he'll be able to read the "warranty" good for foreigners...well till 2012 maybe, but for nationals they want to GTHO!! to the US,UK or anywhere else where they can get money. Warranty? "you want broody varrany and cheapa plice too? .......you foreigners velly funny hahaha" "OK I gallenty all okey doky till you leave shop"..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 Ha-ha for some things:eyebrows: - sure but for quality.........never never ever buy Chinese(unless its food...and you saw it BEFOREHAND) Crower cranks and rods are made in China;) so are eagle and scat and most of the Hi end jap tuner parts, you can buy a crap uk made crank and a great one just as you can chinese etc, ive gone with spool after talking a lot to Brad and im more than happy as he has plenty of cranks in high HP cars, there is a 1400++hp skyline on Methanol using his crank and rods, thing is my chinese crank has cost a lot less than some other chinese cranks of the same material:eyebrows: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 Crower cranks and rods are made in China;) so are eagle and scat and most of the Hi end jap tuner parts, you can buy a crap uk made crank and a great one just as you can chinese etc, ive gone with spool after talking a lot to Brad and im more than happy as he has plenty of cranks in high HP cars, there is a 1400++hp skyline on Methanol using his crank and rods, thing is my chinese crank has cost a lot less than some other chinese cranks of the same material:eyebrows: Some of the most impressive, technically advanced factories in the World I've visited have been in China, I've also seen some shockingly bad ones. It's all about the design, engineering, manufacturing and quality control, get all those right and I would have no qualms about a Chinese made part. Unfortunately there's loads of other cheap crap produced there which is badly designed, engineered, manufactured and with poor/no quality control, which is usually then flogged on Ebay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 I can normally get billet main caps next day, UK made. I also know where a proper line boring operation can be done, but it's not cheap. Never having seen or heard of main cap breakage or abnormal bearing wear on the 2JZ engines makes me wonder why one would go to the expense and hassle of steel main caps though. I got three Toyota 4A-GE blocks converted to billet main caps last year, after finding this when i stripped my Formula Atlantic race engine. The cap had been fractured for some time, as can be seen by the wear marks on the back of the shell. Engine ran fine with perfect oil pressure.....Steel caps are in last photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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