Guest Molony Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 HI all , im 90 % through my mechanical side of a NA convesion with a xspower kit ( yes the cheap one ! , cost was important to me !) My car is a 93 jap spec NA - auto , stock everything , i would like to get running with this kit on , i know im restricted with the injectors and transmission / diff ect but im sure its all ok upto around 350 bhp , then make some more upgrades . Im a bit of a noob but been having some help with my mechanically minded freind plus been using NA-T forums for pointers . The electronic side is something im unsure of and most of the people in usa doing these use a safc 2 and a maf ? I have got my hands on a safc 2 and now need to know what else i need , if im going to follow them i need a maf ? or something else ? the reson i ask is i would like some input on how its done and what people would recommend this side of the pond . This may sound a silly question but would the car run after the mechanics are done ? what do i need to be carefull off ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Molony Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 okay thought maybee with some pics may generate some intrest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzi Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) When you install the SAFC 2 you tap into the airflow meter to alter the signal. In the US they use a MAF sensor. On the JDM we have MAP. Edited October 29, 2010 by Dazzi (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) ditch the safc and get a piggyback that controll the injectors and set a clamp on the boost cut. the us spec cars have maf. (mass airflow sensor) jdm cars have map (manifold abloute pressure) the safc is really no good to you. you will be able to start the car on the stock ecu but dont drive it or even consider boosting. with out a piggyback ecu such as a aem fic , or a greddy emanage the car will flack out and cut fuel as soon as the map sensor see posotive pressure ie boost. the piggyback ecu can resrtict the stock ecu from seeing the boost and then can accordingly increase the injector duty cycle to avoid running lean and thus melting your motor. get the mechanics done. get a suitable piggyback ecu fitted and give it to a pro mapper. dont try and do it yourself to save money or it will end up costing you a fortune or even your car. another good pice of equiptment to buy is a wideband afr guage. afr or air fuel ratios are crucial to the cars performance and even more important to the engines life. to lean and youll melt it, yoo rich and you wash the cylinders and get hevy ring and bore wear. but as said you can start it on idle to check oil pressure and look for leaks ect befor it goes to be mapped. Edited October 29, 2010 by dr_jekyll (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 aditional. get some heat wrap on the rubber coupler above the hotside and heatwrap the rubber hose on the outlet next to the manifold, it will melt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Molony Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) ditch the safc and get a piggyback that controll the injectors and set a clamp on the boost cut. get the mechanics done. get a suitable piggyback ecu fitted and give it to a pro mapper. dont try and do it yourself to save money or it will end up costing you a fortune or even your car. but as said you can start it on idle to check oil pressure and look for leaks ect befor it goes to be mapped. i think your spot on there craig , im gonna try and get a tuner involved now and tell them my plans for the car and let them tell me what equippment they want to work with Also for those asking it was a t-61 turbo kit and ive spent around £1500 to date ... Edited October 29, 2010 by Molony (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 well as your in surry , ryan g (2bartuning) is rite on your doorstep and hes one of the best in the business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Molony Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 hi , thought i would come with some update i have finished most of mechanics now , i had to change distributor cap for a four runner so i could keep 4" intake , fitted blow off valve , fitted new radiator fans... all i have left to do is wait for my turbo blanket to arrive , and my new bigger air filter ... Car runs really suprisingly well as i havent done any electrics yet , had to do a test run felt a bit of boost and heard the BOV working that was enough .... I have inded sort the services of ryan g and i have an emanage blue to have installed and fingers crossed it will be getting mapped on thurday .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 good stuff, the car will run on the base map of the stock ecu but driving it as tempting as it is, is not a great idea. if you must move it , stay below 3000rpm and 50% throttle max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve spedd Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 im running an emanage blue running fine, easy to map... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 so am i, but he has not had his fitted yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Molony Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Okay car was mapped today by ryan at surrey rolling road , 349.4 BHP ( 290ish) at the wheels , did say as im running auto box figures would be slightly higher , if i had a scanner i would up some pics of graphs thanks for the input guys , and also craig i was running your map on the way to dyno 2 grand spent to date all in , 210 standard so now i have 350 bhp areotop , as it was an areotop i thought it was worth the spend as shes clean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glanza_Mike Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Nice results dude, best of luck with the car! Enjoy the boost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Okay car was mapped today by ryan at surrey rolling road , 349.4 BHP ( 290ish) at the wheels , did say as im running auto box figures would be slightly higher , if i had a scanner i would up some pics of graphs thanks for the input guys , and also craig i was running your map on the way to dyno : 2 grand spent to date all in , 210 standard so now i have 350 bhp areotop , as it was an areotop i thought it was worth the spend as shes clean what map was that mate? and how much boost was that at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Nice results for such little outlay keep us posted on reliability, as apparently some of the XS kit is questionable. Did Ryan have any comments on the setup? I think you need to get some pictures of the car up now it's done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Molony Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 what map was that mate? and how much boost was that at not sure exctally which one , he told me it was yours but not too go too mad on the gas ! , Im running just over 0.5 bar / 7 psi roughly , not a lot but its deffo more than i had before tbh , i have learnt a lot and would have no worries swaping turbo over ect further down the line but for now im happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Molony Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Nice results for such little outlay keep us posted on reliability, as apparently some of the XS kit is questionable. Did Ryan have any comments on the setup? I think you need to get some pictures of the car up now it's done Yeah thanks , ryans words was " youve done really well " i know its only a basic kit but for the cash i dont think its bad , i know i may need replacement mani , turbo but for now its good and i dont drive it everyday athough now maybee i will find myself out in it more ! Wrong time of year tho , put my foot down , the auto droped down and i could feel the wheels spinning at the rear end ! Yes now its finished I will get it cleaned and post some finished decent pics up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 good stuff mate , i love my na-t . im guessing he loaded my map and fine tuned it for your set up im really looking forward to seeing the car , hope you make some meets next year . i wont be the only na-t there and isnt it suprissing whata huge differance just 7psi of boost makes on the high compression engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Molony Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 good stuff mate , i love my na-t . im guessing he loaded my map and fine tuned it for your set up im really looking forward to seeing the car , hope you make some meets next year . i wont be the only na-t there and isnt it suprissing whata huge differance just 7psi of boost makes on the high compression engine Yep spot on your map was just to get me running till we got to rolling road yeah i may look to do a meeting somewhere maybee halfway ish between us yeah i have been reading that the high compression works well up to 350 bhp ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 works even better at 389.9 bhp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr lover Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Nice result mate for the money Glad to see my old car being treated well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.