Channel 4 - Dispatches: Iraq's Secret War Files @ 8pm

[Sam Handwich]

You mean those PMC's that turned out to be Blackwater operatives? Its good that they good burnt if it was them- the Blackwater operatives are the sickest and most f***ed up agency in the world. Torture and mass killing is their forté

 

Go wash your mouth out with buck shot, 2 good friends of mine are XE (formally Black Water)

 

Dont judge all by the actions of a few.

[Septic]

Go wash your mouth out with buck shot, 2 good friends of mine are XE (formally Black Water)

 

Dont judge all by the actions of a few.

 

Is that why the Blackwater operatives are coming under intense scrutiny from the US Congress itself?

 

Blackwater as a whole is a disgraceful organisation imo and so is XE. They are just as bad, if not worse than the bloody terrorists.

[Sam Handwich]

Is that why the Blackwater operatives are coming under intense scrutiny from the US Congress itself?

 

Blackwater as a whole is a disgraceful organisation imo and so is XE. They are just as bad, if not worse than the bloody terrorists.

 

Scrutiny?! haha you know nothing. You shouldn't preach about things you know little about.

 

Good day sir

[Septic]

Well I say scrutiny, its not like Congress will do anything worthwhile to the XE but the fact that even Congress feels pressured into appearing to scrutinise it is an indication of what the rest of the world thinks of these glorified mercenaries.

 

I'm not preaching- I'm just saying to hell with XE.

[Abz]

Hey, war is hell, that's just the way it is.

 

 

 

681 people didn't have the sense to use caution or common sense when approaching heavily armed troops.

 

You would have thought so, but some people as it shows in the videos were attacked before they had the chance. Video's show the tanks driving over cars and knocking them out of the way while going through town. People getting out of cars with their hands in the air then being bombed. Not a lot of these people have choices, they were dead meat before they even knew it.

 

As for a war, I am not sure how you could call this a war. Most people don't even remember the reason why they went into Iraq, something to do with Weapons Of Mass Destruction and then something to do with the CIA trained Saddam & then something to do with a gang of boys with rifles and 10 years on we are still paying the debt of having our young lads being killed for no reason. Is this a invasion which Bush raged, his father did it once before and failed, his Son succeeded.

 

Before you ask I have friends who are in the army and few which I know that work with Special Forces, some who I went to school with. I know you can't blame them, they are doing what they are told but like imi says it is not much different to these terrorists which are doing what they are told. Couple of them have dropped out after doing 2 tours of Iraq, you can see the pain in their eyes of what they have seen.

 

Over 100,000 civilians have been killed in Iraq alone, I think at first we was dealing with a very small group of people. Now due to this mass murder they have just recruited all the poor kids who have no family. It honestly is a shambles.

 

My 2 pence worth (Sorry).

[Septic]

Ah what can you do man....war is a dirty business but on the plus side, we get good video games!

[Paul]

Oi Paul I was in Herts on Saturday. I was tempted to PM you to meet up.

 

LOL, you should have mate.

Give me notice though cause I'm usually out and about putting dog sh*t through local immigrants letterboxes ;)

[Septic]

LOL, you should have mate.

Give me notice though cause I'm usually out and about putting dog sh*t through local immigrants letterboxes ;)

 

Haha you muppet. Yeah I will give you a shout next time

[imi]

"bankers? - what do they have to do with it."

 

You cannot have a war without money,you cannot prepare for a war without money , the bankers have funded war since the begining of banking .

they have been known to fund both sides in war , and add a clause that the "winners" will pay back the "losers" debt...

Check out some history and see where the money came from in all wars , its quite enlightening and bizzarre ...

The aftermath of war is debt and these debts shape the countries involved futures often leading to yet another war ,,,go figure!

Are we always destined to repeat history , we should be smarter by now

 

hmm....with that logic everyone of us that contributes to the global economy that banks run and hence we in-turn are responsible......guess the scroungers are the only ones that can be exempt; perhaps they do have a purpose.....

 

While I see your idealistic logic I don't necessarily agree that you can hold them directly responsible - when there are others that can be held directly responsible.

 

I prefer to start with the governments involved; the UN for being toothless and the so called "pawns" for being brainless morons acting out their "Call of Duty" fantasy in reality.....

 

Like I said before - Murderers the lot of them.....

[Abz]

LOL, you should have mate.

Give me notice though cause I'm usually out and about putting dog sh*t through local immigrants letterboxes ;)

 

Paul, I bet you actually live with an immigrant

[imi]

Paul, I bet you actually live with an immigrant

 

bet he is married to one........his name is usama

[RedM]

bet he is married to one........his name is usama

 

Forum bloke in gay immigrant marriage shocker!

 

That's the headline in tomorrows Daily Mail.

[Paul]

Forum bloke in gay immigrant marriage shocker!

 

That's the headline in tomorrows Daily Mail.

 

Racist Homophobic See you've changed the avatar, the previous one suited better

 

Anyway, yep I get shafted by immigrants on a daily basis but not in the way you mean

[jagman]

hmm....with that logic everyone of us that contributes to the global economy that banks run and hence we in-turn are responsible......guess the scroungers are the only ones that can be exempt; perhaps they do have a purpose.....

 

While I see your idealistic logic I don't necessarily agree that you can hold them directly responsible - when there are others that can be held directly responsible.

 

I prefer to start with the governments involved; the UN for being toothless and the so called "pawns" for being brainless morons acting out their "Call of Duty" fantasy in reality.....

 

Like I said before - Murderers the lot of them.....

 

 

 

You are looking at things the wrong way round : banks and money control governments , the people choose governments based on economic success and governments are temporary - it is money that controls .

One factor in Iraq was the threat to price oil in Euros - that to the Bush administration was the straw - he had to go !

there have been and still are despots in charge of countries , yet they remain , no threat to the US dollar you see , so therefore benign.

Money and politics!! It has never changed ..

The troops on the ground seldom know what they are fighting for , that also is common during wars - one minute they are enemies the next allies , or vice versa - it's all a bit confusing

[imi]

You are looking at things the wrong way round : banks and money control governments , the people choose governments based on economic success and governments are temporary - it is money that controls .

One factor in Iraq was the threat to price oil in Euros - that to the Bush administration was the straw - he had to go !

there have been and still are despots in charge of countries , yet they remain , no threat to the US dollar you see , so therefore benign.

Money and politics!! It has never changed ..

The troops on the ground seldom know what they are fighting for , that also is common during wars - one minute they are enemies the next allies , or vice versa - it's all a bit confusing

 

Ok, you've sussed it out, far too smart for the lot of them.....so what is the solution?

[Abz]

You are looking at things the wrong way round : banks and money control governments , the people choose governments based on economic success and governments are temporary - it is money that controls .

One factor in Iraq was the threat to price oil in Euros - that to the Bush administration was the straw - he had to go !

there have been and still are despots in charge of countries , yet they remain , no threat to the US dollar you see , so therefore benign.

Money and politics!! It has never changed ..

The troops on the ground seldom know what they are fighting for , that also is common during wars - one minute they are enemies the next allies , or vice versa - it's all a bit confusing

 

Spot on

 

You always have the puppets & the pupperters.

[imi]

Forum bloke in gay immigrant marriage shocker!

 

That's the headline in tomorrows Daily Mail.

 

As osama is an immigrant and different to Paul, Paul considers the relationship a heterosexual one

 

bizarre isn't it.....the end justifies the means......no pun intended

[Paul]

As osama is an immigrant and different to Paul, Paul considers the relationship a heterosexual one

 

bizarre isn't it.....the end justifies the means......no pun intended

 

LOL, says he who pulls one off over Galloway on a regular basis

[Hemanhead]

bankers? - what do they have to do with it.

 

Are the "pawns" being forced to commit murder; even if they were are you suggesting that they then have a free ride to any responsibility......

 

is there much of a difference between these "pawns" and the terrorists?

 

Bankers have everything to do with it. Who payrolls war, who profits from war,who starts war. Soldiers on the front line are just pawns, and it is a kill or be killed area something i'd suggest people would have to experience for themselves to appreciate. The difference between the pawns and the terrorists is one is trying to get one from his country, the other is doing a job he'd probably rather not do but needs a living.