edinlexusV8 Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Wow!! Is anybody watching this today @ 8pm? /vbb/images/smilies/bbcode_shock.gif http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/episode-guide/series-74/episode-1 Dispatches, Channel 4's flagship current affairs strand, exposes the full and unreported horror of the Iraqi conflict and its aftermath, revealing the true scale of civilian casualties; that, even after the scandal of Abu Ghraib, American soldiers continued to abuse prisoners; and that US forces did not systematically intervene in the torture and murder of detainees by the Iraqi security services. The programme also features previously unreported material of insurgents being killed while trying to surrender. Channel 4 is the only UK broadcaster to have been given access to nearly 400,000 secret military significant activities reports (SIGACTS) logged by the US military in Iraq between 2004 and 2009. These reports tell the story of the war and occupation which the US military did not want the world to know. Initially, the Americans claimed that they were not recording casualty figures and President Bush stated that America would do its utmost to avoid civilian casualties. In the files, Dispatches found details of over 109,000 deaths; 66,000 of these were civilians; 176,000 civilians and others were reported as wounded. Under rules of engagement, known as escalation of force, anyone approaching the US military was warned to slow down and stop. The analysis reveals more than 800 people were killed in escalation of force incidents: 681 (80%) of these were civilians; a further 2,200 were wounded. Thirteen coalition troops were killed during these incidents. Dispatches found 30 children had been killed when shots were fired near civilians by US troops at checkpoints. Over a six-year period, the data records the imprisonment of 180,000 Iraqis: one in 50 of the adult male population. Dispatches found more than 300 reports alleging abuse by US forces on Iraqi prisoners after April 2004. The Americans effectively ignored the torture and murder of many detainees by Iraqi security forces. Dispatches has found evidence of more than 1,300 individual cases of the torture and abuse of Iraqi prisoners by Iraqis in police stations and army bases: witnessed or reported on by American troops. Dispatches reveals that US troops were ordered not to investigate Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence. The data shows that the Americans were aware of the horrific level of violence inflicted by Iraqi sectarian militias: over 32,500 murders; more than 10,000 shot in the head; nearly 450 decapitated; over 160 were children. One of the reasons given for the invasion of Iraq was the suggestion of links between Iraq and Al Qaeda. The US told the UN Security Council in 2003 that Iraq 'harboured' the terrorist network. However, in the leaked data there are only seven reports mentioning Al Qaeda in 2004, and none of these refer to Al Qaeda killing anyone. By 2008, there are 8,208 reports mentioning Al Qaeda attributing to it the deaths of 45 coalition soldiers, 486 members of the Iraqi Security Services and 1,291 civilians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted October 25, 2010 Author Share Posted October 25, 2010 Never though they would ever release these secret files! will hardly be a secret of this!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 I believe WikiLeaks (Called something like that) already released these documents online. Plus another documentry detailed similar reports. The numbers are just mind boggling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Might Sky+ this for a watch later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Cue IMI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 thanks for the heads up..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 thanks for the heads up..... Enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Hardcore. I watched that Apache film when it got leaked. Disturbing to say the least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 One word to describe EVERYONE involved: MURDERERS If there is a God then may there be NO MERCY on these people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 I watched the Gadget Show instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasoup Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Corruption is everywhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 And the Iraqi Army/Police killed more of their own people than the Coalition forces ever did. Its tough viewing for half 8 at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Handwich Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Dont believe everything you see on these sorts of things, they go way over the top to make good TV, these files were never 'secret'. SIGACTS are NOT classified information unless they contain information involving the death of an ISAF soldier. Until then they are disclosed but are not that hard to obtain. The TV shows the torture of Iraq Nationals which i am 100% against but i have yet to see a show on the horrible torture methods they used on US troops, I doubt many people would know about the 4 US PSD operators they turned inside out and hung from a bridge?? Sorry to rant, did 2 tours of Iraq myself and now i work here permanently all this show will do us cause more hate against us, over here and back at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 but i have yet to see a show on the horrible torture methods they used on US troops, I doubt many people would know about the 4 US PSD operators they turned inside out and hung from a bridge?? One word to describe EVERYONE involved: MURDERERS If there is a God then may there be NO MERCY on these people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 One word to describe EVERYONE involved: MURDERERS If there is a God then may there be NO MERCY on these people. Paul, you are sounding a lot like imi these days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Paul, you are sounding a lot like imi these days! its blatantly obvious that he is in Awe..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemanhead Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 One word to describe EVERYONE involved: MURDERERS If there is a God then may there be NO MERCY on these people. If you are angry at these attrocities then turn you're attention to the decision makers, presidents,bankers, arms dealers etc. Not the pawns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Hey, war is hell, that's just the way it is. Under rules of engagement, known as escalation of force, anyone approaching the US military was warned to slow down and stop. The analysis reveals more than 800 people were killed in escalation of force incidents: 681 (80%) of these were civilians; 681 people didn't have the sense to use caution or common sense when approaching heavily armed troops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Handwich Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Hey, war is hell, that's just the way it is. 681 people didn't have the sense to use caution or common sense when approaching heavily armed troops. very true indeed. If i was in there shoes I would have fired too! Rather be trialed by 12 than carried by 6! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 If you are angry at these atrocities then turn you're attention to the decision makers, presidents,bankers, arms dealers etc. Not the pawns. bankers? - what do they have to do with it. Are the "pawns" being forced to commit murder; even if they were are you suggesting that they then have a free ride to any responsibility...... is there much of a difference between these "pawns" and the terrorists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 The TV shows the torture of Iraq Nationals which i am 100% against but i have yet to see a show on the horrible torture methods they used on US troops, I doubt many people would know about the 4 US PSD operators they turned inside out and hung from a bridge?? You mean those PMC's that turned out to be Blackwater operatives? Its good that they good burnt if it was them- the Blackwater operatives are the sickest and most f***ed up agency in the world. Torture and mass killing is their forté Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 If you are angry at these attrocities then turn you're attention to the decision makers, presidents,bankers, arms dealers etc. Not the pawns. I do agree with this though. Although if I ever came across someone torturing someone I would pour acid down their throats myself regardless of who they were but Hemanhead has a point. The people who are responsible for this mess are the ones playing golf on their ranch/relaxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 "bankers? - what do they have to do with it." You cannot have a war without money,you cannot prepare for a war without money , the bankers have funded war since the begining of banking . they have been known to fund both sides in war , and add a clause that the "winners" will pay back the "losers" debt... Check out some history and see where the money came from in all wars , its quite enlightening and bizzarre ... The aftermath of war is debt and these debts shape the countries involved futures often leading to yet another war ,,,go figure! Are we always destined to repeat history , we should be smarter by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 its blatantly obvious that he is in Awe..... I don't think so. In fact, I am pretty sure he's in Herts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Oi Paul I was in Herts on Saturday. I was tempted to PM you to meet up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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