wallis Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Just had a search on my iphone but didn't find much anyone got a link from a hks site etc?? Cheers m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwayne Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 halfway down the page here http://www.97supraturbo.com/Tech.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallis Posted October 19, 2010 Author Share Posted October 19, 2010 halfway down the page here http://www.97supraturbo.com/Tech.html That was quick mate, cheers:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 What ecu are you going with out of interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 At least 3 mappers have tried and failed to explain to me just why these things are a waste of money and a placebo, due to their design and installation. I have to take their word on this as they are all highly experienced and respected. Anyone here care to have a say in this? Can they actually do anything useful in increasing coil energy, and if so, how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallis Posted October 19, 2010 Author Share Posted October 19, 2010 Yikes! I was told I needed one as my plugs would get blown out running over 1.6bar boost? Also I have been told I need to close my plug gaps to 0.6 also? Do I not need it then chris, the guy I bought my set up from had to get one fitted, he doesn't think I will be able to run it without one? Input would be good guys, I'm not going to bother fitting it otherwise! Jaime I'm going with the aem fic mate cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 As you are on piggy back i would have thought you would not need one, best to check with Ryan. You only need one with wasted spark ecu's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 I am the last person to ask, electrickery is far from my forte! The guys who discussed this were impressive in their condemnation though, and all talked of CD (capacitive discharge) systems being the only viable move for huge HP turbo engines or serious RPM's on multi cylinder engines. All serious race engines seem to use it so I didn't argue.... What I was asking is what is this thing supposed to do, and how does it really work or doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Wether its needed or not its pointless fitting one unless the coil packs are in good condition and toy have new clips and plugs. On my old AEM set up without the DLI we could not get over 1.8 bar, with the DLI we were at 2.5 bar and no miss fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallis Posted October 19, 2010 Author Share Posted October 19, 2010 Wether its needed or not its pointless fitting one unless the coil packs are in good condition and toy have new clips and plugs. On my old AEM set up without the DLI we could not get over 1.8 bar, with the DLI we were at 2.5 bar and no miss fire. Hey up john, cheers for that. Well I have mint coil packs new clips and inners, and new plugs so I'm good there, I'm guessing twin sparks are for much bigger set ups than mine, I won't be getting close to even 1.7bar, so I'm guessing I won't bother then, but if it won't hurt I guess u could still fit it tonight, I've bought it so I should use it really..... Lol cheers again for the feedback guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Hey up john, cheers for that. Well I have mint coil packs new clips and inners, and new plugs so I'm good there, I'm guessing twin sparks are for much bigger set ups than mine, I won't be getting close to even 1.7bar, so I'm guessing I won't bother then, but if it won't hurt I guess u could still fit it tonight, I've bought it so I should use it really..... Lol cheers again for the feedback guys Mine was for the Stand alone AEM dude, give Matt a ring or Ryan either will tell you if its worth fitting or even needed with what you plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Hey up john, cheers for that. Well I have mint coil packs new clips and inners, and new plugs so I'm good there, I'm guessing twin sparks are for much bigger set ups than mine, I won't be getting close to even 1.7bar, so I'm guessing I won't bother then, but if it won't hurt I guess u could still fit it tonight, I've bought it so I should use it really..... Lol cheers again for the feedback guys You need to find out if your setup is wasted spark or not, fitting one to a car thats not needed will kill your coil packs quick time, i made that mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 You need to find out if your setup is wasted spark or not, fitting one to a car thats not needed will kill your coil packs quick time, i made that mistake. I don't think the FIC is wasted spark JP, the series 2 AEM standalone isn't wasted spark anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallis Posted October 19, 2010 Author Share Posted October 19, 2010 Just spoke to afr, I'm going to leave it for now and if there's problems we can always fit it if need be. Thx again for the great feedback guys :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Did Matt say if the FIC is wasted spark or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallis Posted October 19, 2010 Author Share Posted October 19, 2010 Did Matt say if the FIC is wasted spark or not? he didn't say mate, sorry I forgot to even ask him :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 FIC just alters the crank and cam timing signals back to the stock ecu to retard the timing so it will still run Coil on Plug with the FIC. DLI's are only need with series 1 Aem's.. Using in setups which are not wasted spark will kill coil packs... so dont fit one Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy-No-Knee Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 FIC just alters the crank and cam timing signals back to the stock ecu to retard the timing so it will still run Coil on Plug with the FIC. DLI's are only need with series 1 Aem's.. Using in setups which are not wasted spark will kill coil packs... so dont fit one Ryan So.... is it a no no to fit it if you are using an Emanage Blue or an Apexi Power FC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 So.... is it a no no to fit it if you are using an Emanage Blue or an Apexi Power FC? IMO Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy-No-Knee Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Ah. Would it cause problems if one was fitted to a set up that was EMB and now changing to Apexi Power FC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Ah. Would it cause problems if one was fitted to a set up that was EMB and now changing to Apexi Power FC? You dont need one with a EMB or PFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy-No-Knee Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Ok thanks. Time to strip it off and sell it on I supose... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_widow87 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Iv also been told i need one of these to run higher boost. Running the aem fic but not sure if its series 1 or 2. How do i tell? Im only looking to increase boost to 1.5 bar, is it really necessary to get the dli?? Dont wanna fork out a load of money for the sake of it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallis Posted October 21, 2010 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 Iv also been told i need one of these to run higher boost. Running the aem fic but not sure if its series 1 or 2. How do i tell? Im only looking to increase boost to 1.5 bar, is it really necessary to get the dli?? Dont wanna fork out a load of money for the sake of it ! U basically will not need a twin spark for any aem fic. The stock ignition system is fine for the power/boost levels u can achieve with an fic or similar piggy back ecu. Twin sparks are for some stand alone ecu's which run a waste spark system and bypass the stock ignition system. These waste spark systems sometimes need amplifying as there weaker/irregular at higher revs etc and this is what there for, on big power set ups running over 1.8bar on stand alone ecu's. I have spoke to loads of people about this in relation to my build in respect to the aem fic, im sure some one will say otherwise but this is the general rule from all my research. The power levels and boost levels i am running which are hopefully going to be 500rwhp and a max of 1.7 bar of boost will not need a twin spark for example. Hope this helps mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_widow87 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 U basically will not need a twin spark for any aem fic. The stock ignition system is fine for the power/boost levels u can achieve with an fic or similar piggy back ecu. Twin sparks are for some stand alone ecu's which run a waste spark system and bypass the stock ignition system. These waste spark systems sometimes need amplifying as there weaker/irregular at higher revs etc and this is what there for, on big power set ups running over 1.8bar on stand alone ecu's. I have spoke to loads of people about this in relation to my build in respect to the aem fic, im sure some one will say otherwise but this is the general rule from all my research. The power levels and boost levels i am running which are hopefully going to be 500rwhp and a max of 1.7 bar of boost will not need a twin spark for example. Hope this helps mate. Hmmmm.. Im still really confused on who to believe! Would there be aany consequences if i was to turn the boost up without one fitted just to see if there is any misfire? Is something gonna go pop?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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