Tee from China Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 So basically your saying that anyone who doesn't drive a real Lambo or Ferrari is just a loser? bit unfair when they don't have the money due to age or other commitments but still have the dream. You do know that Toyota also made the 3S GTE engine in 220 and 240 bhp forms and not just the 3S-GE? which is very tunable and although reliability may suffer - not as fragile or expensive as a 'real' one are they not? So you can buy a Diablo (not a newer Murci) for close to that figure of 40k but that is an upper figure and a competent spanner man could do it for half that and maybe just painting and trimming the two biggie's.Still haven't covered the insurance/servicing or repairs points though. There are many places now that will build a kit for you or just the difficult bits to a very high standard and again its all down to resources. When you did your rear seat delete on your Supra you did a very professional job of it to a very high quality - but your not a professional but an amateur,which just means that you didn't get paid to do it. Are you saying that all kit owners are not up to the same standards as those who do it for a living? Some kits have been built my qualified mechanics to the same standard they would do if paid for it. There are always going to be abortions as ability is sometimes lacking - just look at some abominable Supras that are around with poorly made/fitted bodykits in horrible colours! I prefer the term copy rather than fake as usually small details are changed due to copyright infringements but to the untrained eye they are identical. Didn't the Japs copy things in the 60's and 70's before they became world leaders? As to supercar values - just look at any motor mag and see how the values have been dropping consistently since the late 90's whereas a well constructed kit with the right choice of colour and finish etc will be worth more due to it increased appeal. Any owner who thinks his is real is dilutional and those I have spoken to before migration here know exactly what they have - a supercar they could afford and not a real one at all - that would be stupid.Pretending you drive a supercar is one thing but pretending you pay supercar maintenance costs too ? why? its the dream of the car and not the day to day running of it. Clearly you will never change your opinion and that's your right - but to label anyone without a real Diablo,F430 or Supra TT as losers is a little harsh, less fortunate maybe,thrifty also and environmentally friendly too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee from China Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 The insurance statement is valid for kit-based cars, like the MR2 2000GT (TRD Kit), but, I think the insurance company will now say the car is more "steal-able" because of the kits. I had all sorts of ideas with my MR2, but never once did I think about a "kit". Be proud of what you drive or just sell it and get something you like. But didn't your MR have an aftermarket nose, mirrors and flared arches? same thing as a kit - nice but still not standard was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 All you're doing is kidding yourself though. You're admitting that your life hasn't quite turned out as you wanted because you can't afford the car you REALLY want, so what you're doing is deluding yourself (and gullable people) that it's ok. I'd never get a replica, principally because I am proud of what I drive now. And I rather like what I have than pretend to love something I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 But didn't your MR have an aftermarket nose, mirrors and flared arches? same thing as a kit - nice but still not standard was it? Yep, and it was an MR2, badged as an MR2 and looked like an MR2(ish). It did not have Lambo/Ferrari badges on it and I wasn't trying to convince someone that it was something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 i think you guys missed a thread i had recently put up about this............ http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140453288812 lambo for 8k..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 i think you guys missed a thread i had recently put up about this............ http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140453288812 lambo for 8k..... But, it's not a Lambo. It might be able go like a Lambo in a straight line, but it won't corner as well, it won't have the feel, it won't sound like, it won't ride like and just isn't a Lambo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 So basically your saying that anyone who doesn't drive a real Lambo or Ferrari is just a loser? bit unfair when they don't have the money due to age or other commitments but still have the dream. You do know that Toyota also made the 3S GTE engine in 220 and 240 bhp forms and not just the 3S-GE? which is very tunable and although reliability may suffer - not as fragile or expensive as a 'real' one are they not? So you can buy a Diablo (not a newer Murci) for close to that figure of 40k but that is an upper figure and a competent spanner man could do it for half that and maybe just painting and trimming the two biggie's.Still haven't covered the insurance/servicing or repairs points though. There are many places now that will build a kit for you or just the difficult bits to a very high standard and again its all down to resources. When you did your rear seat delete on your Supra you did a very professional job of it to a very high quality - but your not a professional but an amateur,which just means that you didn't get paid to do it. Are you saying that all kit owners are not up to the same standards as those who do it for a living? Some kits have been built my qualified mechanics to the same standard they would do if paid for it. There are always going to be abortions as ability is sometimes lacking - just look at some abominable Supras that are around with poorly made/fitted bodykits in horrible colours! I prefer the term copy rather than fake as usually small details are changed due to copyright infringements but to the untrained eye they are identical. Didn't the Japs copy things in the 60's and 70's before they became world leaders? As to supercar values - just look at any motor mag and see how the values have been dropping consistently since the late 90's whereas a well constructed kit with the right choice of colour and finish etc will be worth more due to it increased appeal. Any owner who thinks his is real is dilutional and those I have spoken to before migration here know exactly what they have - a supercar they could afford and not a real one at all - that would be stupid.Pretending you drive a supercar is one thing but pretending you pay supercar maintenance costs too ? why? its the dream of the car and not the day to day running of it. Clearly you will never change your opinion and that's your right - but to label anyone without a real Diablo,F430 or Supra TT as losers is a little harsh, less fortunate maybe,thrifty also and environmentally friendly too! Yes thats what I'm saying Yes I do know that after owning 4 MR2's I'm not labelling everyone without a Ferrari/Lambo as losers, I'm labeling everyone with a fake one a loser. I laugh at my mates and their fake clothes & watches, I don't understand the need to impress people with fake things. I would respect more a guy who spend 5k modding an MR2 that looked stock (ish) than a guy who spent 20k making it look like a ferrari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Woodsport Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Amen! We have converted over a dozen 355 reps to V6, and seen more of them than Johnnys had maccy D's Every single one of them has looked terrible, rippled fibreglass up the sides like the ocean waves, very poor build quality overall and to top it all off they are shorter than a real 355 (the area bewteen rear wheel and door is just not the same at all). I hate them, they weigh tons more than a stock Mr2, and the owners are totally deluded that they are driving a real Ferrari (one customer asked not to have air-con with his conversion because he said it was a Berlinetta, apparently Berlinettas didn't have AC).... ITS AN MR2 YOU BALLBAG! They handle atrociously, with 8" wheel spacers on the rear, yes 8"! and lowered so much to get the wheels into the arches that the lower control arms have gone past the centre point, so basically bump steer city. Who do they fool? Certainly not Mr2 owners, and definately not Ferrari enthusiasts, both can spot fakes a mile off. So little boys is the answer.... "oh look daddy a Ferrari" I would never voice my opinion about them to a customer, that's just rude, but i think anyone that drives one is sadder than jays wardrobe. We have a V12 to fit to a Murci rep in January, should be quite special, but still a fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanc Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 We have a V12 to fit to a Murci rep in January, should be quite special, but still a fake. V12? Sounds interesting... BMW engine? V12 in an MR2...whoa! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kill1308 Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 There's another company (I can't recall the name) that makes a Murci rep that doesn't use an MR2 donor, I think they build the chassis... Does look impressive, they use a BMW V12 engine too... still no substitute for the real thing, but it's the best I've seen. Will see if I can find a link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kill1308 Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Can't find the link, but this one always makes me laugh... http://www.rpmgo.com/cars/d/43153-3/lamborghini_murcielago_replica_12.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Woodsport Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 V12? Sounds interesting... BMW engine? V12 in an MR2...whoa! Yep BMW 850 motor coupled to Audis 6 speed box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanc Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Yep BMW 850 motor coupled to Audis 6 speed box. Interesting! That would be nice going into the MR2. A bit rear heavy though won't it? Didn't know you can fit a V12 in the MR2...impressive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Interesting! That would be nice going into the MR2. A bit rear heavy though won't it? Didn't know you can fit a V12 in the MR2...impressive! It's hardly a simple drop in - the chassis will 99% need to be extended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Woodsport Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 No i think i can get the V12 in there without the chassis stretch Mr G, it would look similar to my V8 Mk1, there's more room behind the seats in a Mk2, but the stretch that comes with those Murci reps (11") would make it considerably easier. Bmw V12 is all alloy so probably not that much heavier than a fully laden wet 3sgte, only we are mounting it more towards the centre of gravity so any increase would be negligible towards handling etc. One of those ones that you wouldn't know 100% until you tried, which i'm gonna! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanc Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Sounds interesting Do post a thread up when you start work on it! (if that's allowed ofc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Woodsport Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 We also have a full spaceframe Murcielago with V12 and audi box to build in the new year, no Mr2 bits at all, but still a fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HILLSEY Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 did all u guys miss this... "eXtreme there is no substitute" well im sorry there is, its shit and your selling it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Mitchell Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 how about this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lamborghini-Diablo-2008-Kit-Car-Replica-/110594604289?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item19bff3bd01 looks awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanc Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 how about this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lamborghini-Diablo-2008-Kit-Car-Replica-/110594604289?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item19bff3bd01 looks awesome This is interesting. The interior looks nice too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 It's pure ARSE. It's a fake. A replica Rolex of a car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 how about this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lamborghini-Diablo-2008-Kit-Car-Replica-/110594604289?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item19bff3bd01 looks awesome Doesn't say what it was previously. I'd still rather save for the real deal. I'd be disappointed knowing it was a fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIL007 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 These kit cars are nice, mainly for people who want the looks of a super car, but maybe not the performance. seen a few up close some are well done, some are nt. Its each to their own, i guess some start as a project and go from there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodalmighty Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I have an old white Rev1 UK mr2 if someone want to start this conversion. I'll also show you how to but a BMW V12 in it and 4WD so you can do a more realistic fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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