paddy155 Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 I know that on nearly every car forum i go on that a car trying to impersonate another car is looked down upon. Altough I do not like it myself, I just love the look of the murcielago kit. Now with the mr2 as the donor car,it is never trully going to live up to the name,but what if a space frame was used and a lot more powerful engine. Would it still not get the recognition it deserves ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edge Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 I think it will get some recognition as i doubt a custom space frame would come cheaply. As rusty Mr2 = £50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddy155 Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share Posted October 1, 2010 Yeah,dont think i would spend that sort of money on a mr2. Just into the whole kit car thing just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 For the money I'd rather buy a real Diablo and not have to pretend to own a lambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edge Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 What about something like a dax rush or a tiger kit car if you fancy building something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddy155 Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share Posted October 1, 2010 Yeah,going to start looking into building something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 It will be extremely expensive to look half decent! What sort of budget do you have in mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddy155 Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share Posted October 1, 2010 no budget as of yet but realisticly out of my price range. considering it's 10k just for the kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 I like it. From the outside it looks very similar indeed, of course the game is given away as soon as you open the door. http://www.extreme-sportscars.com/murci/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 How do they get away with such a close replica? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddy155 Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share Posted October 1, 2010 I mean looks wise,nothing beats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Very good replicas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddy155 Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share Posted October 1, 2010 just been on their forum and they are make a vanquish kit for the supra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Just why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Supra looked better before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevins Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 i like them lol, but its just not real thats the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinboy Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Just buy a murcieiolago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 just been on their forum and they are make a vanquish kit for the supra The rear half looks weird. If you did it right then that'd be pretty cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a98pmalcolm Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 yer there was one for sale a while back... looks very close but in person its goin to look tiny and out of size... but they pull off quite well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evinX Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 just been on their forum and they are make a vanquish kit for the supra Good god, get lost!!! aston used the supra to make their motor!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee from China Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 Yeah,dont think i would spend that sort of money on a mr2. Just into the whole kit car thing just now. £10k on a car + kit? MattH has admitted he has dropped £60k on his Supra! and he was selling it for under £25k! If you did the job well you could get MORE than your base + kit, as there are people who will pay for a ready built car if they dont have the required skills or time! For the money I'd rather buy a real Diablo and not have to pretend to own a lambo So can you buy a s/h Diablo for £10k? what state would it be in? how much to insure one? Everybody wants a Lambo or Ferrari or whatever but cant actually afford the insurance/running costs. A kit car would actually cost less to insure than the standard MR2 its based on! Just why? Because people want to be different but in the real world dont have the cash or lifestyle to actually do that! Sure in HK they are all real Ferraris - or are they? would you walk up and start looking round/under a parked one to see? Here in the city I live in I see F430's Bentleys,Maseratis etc everyday and they are all real because folks here have the money plus Chinese dont like to wait for things and are happy buying Korean Japanese of Domestic tin boxes rather than build one (also they dont have a garage to do it) if they are not so rich whereas in the UK people want to be different but just dont have the cash to be so. Sure if the money was there they would buy a real Cobra or Ferrari etc but they cant afford the upkeep of running the bloody things! Being able to buy the real thing maybe just doable but paying for the servicing and insuring of one would be out of their reach - hence the boom in kit cars and replicas to fill the need! If you saw an 18yo driving a 355,360 or whatever are you going to say he is driving a fake or he's a rich man's son etc? Many people build kits for the enjoyment too. Thats why people choose Westfield's,Tigers or Locosts because they really want a Caterham or a real Lotus Seven but dont have the funds to do so or they fancy getting their hands dirty! The market for good quality 'look-a like' copies has never been stronger than it is for that reason. Plus people who built kits/replicas are saving the planet by recycling old rusty Sierras or lacklustre production cars to look like their dream cars! Just look at all those cars on the government scrap-age scheme still sat waiting to be crushed that are perfectly good cars but the industry wants people to buy new ones instead. Having all the looks without the horrendous running costs let alone the massive depreciation can only be a good thing Long live the kit car I say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 So can you buy a s/h Diablo for £10k? what state would it be in? how much to insure one? Everybody wants a Lambo or Ferrari or whatever but cant actually afford the insurance/running costs. A kit car would actually cost less to insure than the standard MR2 its based on! Last time I checked it would cost in the region of £40k+ to have one of these built. If you can't afford the running costs of a Ferrari/Lambo then why feel the need to fake everyone into thinking you own one. The insurance statement I find hard to believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 The insurance statement is valid for kit-based cars, like the MR2 2000GT (TRD Kit), but, I think the insurance company will now say the car is more "steal-able" because of the kits. I had all sorts of ideas with my MR2, but never once did I think about a "kit". Be proud of what you drive or just sell it and get something you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee from China Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Last time I checked it would cost in the region of £40k+ to have one of these built. If you can't afford the running costs of a Ferrari/Lambo then why feel the need to fake everyone into thinking you own one. The insurance statement I find hard to believe £40K for a Murcielago look-alike? and how much for a 'good' Diablo? maybe double that, then the insurance etc. OK so someone pays 40k for a turnkey ready to drive car, that would be top end so the build quality would have to be top notch. The running costs afterwards however will be much less taking into account cheaper insurance (that's a fact - check it out) and the DIY servicing. Lambo V12 dealer servicing or Toyota 4 cylinders DIY? The whole idea of kit cars is to do it yourself and yes it could cost a lot more to have a turnkey built - but as I said how much to buy a Diablo? how much to insure one? let alone the day to day running costs! To drive a car with Toyota reliability and supercar looks is a win win scenario I think as you get all the good things from both! Also the depreciation on supercars is horrendous with some cars worth a third or less of their cost in short time, whereas a kit car with GRP bodywork and reliable underpinnings will actually appreciate! Did you get more for your 911 when you sold it than when you bought it? and what about the new cost versus second hand depreciations? Not having to have a 'specialist dealer' service your expensive supercar then to screw you with the costs can only be a good thing and being able to maintain the car yourself at home must be a plus! What too about repairs or broken items? Lambo's and the like are fragile creatures and we all know how much parts for this sort of cars can cost and what of supply? waiting weeks or months for a part to come from Italy only to find it the wrong one or costing an absolute fortune against walking into your nearest auto shop or Toyota dealer and buy off the shelf? How many oil filters for a Lambo or Ferrari can you find on Halfords shelves? and how many Toyota ones? The whole point of kit cars and their appeal is that you CAN have the car of your dreams without it costing a arm or leg to run it afterwards. Also using recycled parts is a green thing is it not? Why do people put RS or Turbo badges on their base models? because they would like to have one but dont have the cash to do so, just like some NA owners wish theirs were really a TT!! Why is the replica/kit car market so strong and the mainstream auto industry in a slump? because of costs ! Each to their own, but whilst I love the looks of a 355 or a 430 but to own one I would have to be super rich so would be just a dream unless I went the kit car route and personally I wouldn't put Ferrari badges everywhere (which is what some do to make you think it is real - i.e. too many) and would put Toyota and MR2 on it or more likely have none at all! If fact I would probable go for a Veranti or one of the other kits as they are easier to build and doesn't need massive spacers or big wheels either. Not everyone wants to make people believe that their car is a real one - more that they like the looks without the costs. Take a look a Woodsport who drop humble Camry V6's into MR2's and Ferrari replicas and then you get all the go and still have the reliability of a Toyota - even more win win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 £40K for a Murcielago look-alike? and how much for a 'good' Diablo? maybe double that, http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1489854.htm http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2031929.htm then the insurance etc. OK so someone pays 40k for a turnkey ready to drive car, that would be top end so the build quality would have to be top notch. Top notch build quality, from what a kit car? The running costs afterwards however will be much less taking into account cheaper insurance (that's a fact - check it out) and the DIY servicing. Lambo V12 dealer servicing or Toyota 4 cylinders DIY? So now you're driving round in a murc look-a-like with a 4 pot 3s-ge, classy The whole idea of kit cars is to do it yourself and yes it could cost a lot more to have a turnkey built - but as I said how much to buy a Diablo? how much to insure one? let alone the day to day running costs! All I'm saying is driving fake cars is for losers, just my opinion, not trying to stop anyone from buying said fake cars To drive a car with Toyota reliability and supercar looks is a win win scenario I think as you get all the good things from both! To drive a fake car is a lose/loser scenario Also the depreciation on supercars is horrendous with some cars worth a third or less of their cost in short time, whereas a kit car with GRP bodywork and reliable underpinnings will actually appreciate! Please provide sources of said info. Did you get more for your 911 when you sold it than when you bought it? and what about the new cost versus second hand depreciations? No Not having to have a 'specialist dealer' service your expensive supercar then to screw you with the costs can only be a good thing and being able to maintain the car yourself at home must be a plus! What too about repairs or broken items? Lambo's and the like are fragile creatures and we all know how much parts for this sort of cars can cost and what of supply? waiting weeks or months for a part to come from Italy only to find it the wrong one or costing an absolute fortune against walking into your nearest auto shop or Toyota dealer and buy off the shelf? Again not doubting any of these facts, but laughing at the reasoning. So you can't afford servcing & parts, yet you want people to think you can? The whole point of kit cars and their appeal is that you CAN have the car of your dreams without it costing a arm or leg to run it afterwards. Also using recycled parts is a green thing is it not? I have no problem with kit cars (Ultima etc), it's the losers who drive round in MR2s with Ferrari/Lambo kits on them Why do people put RS or Turbo badges on their base models? because they would like to have one but dont have the cash to do so, just like some NA owners wish theirs were really a TT!! Because they're losers Why is the replica/kit car market so strong and the mainstream auto industry in a slump? because of costs ! Need backup here, you seem to be going well off on one Not everyone wants to make people believe that their car is a real one - more that they like the looks without the costs. I beg to differ. You actually spoken to anyone who owns a Ferrari kitted MR2? They actually believe they are Ferraris, & that isn't an exaggeration. Take a look a Woodsport who drop humble Camry V6's into MR2's and Ferrari replicas and then you get all the go and still have the reliability of a Toyota - even more win win I have seen as many MR2 Ferraris at Woodsport as Paul himself (I am there most days), and they are all hideous, badly fitting, badly looking with deluded owners. Sorry but you ain't going to change my mind on this, and it's the last time I'll be breaking down a long reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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