Bodybuilders, MMA & food freaks (Advice needed)

[Supe]

both have different ablities bud, synergy is for pre/pwo and whey for any other time through the day, is how i would use them

 

Got ya

[Benyon]

What is your main achievement? Is it for the MMA part of bodybuilding? You need to have a hard iron body to get into MMA but you need strength but not over bulk yourself so you can be nimble. I did MMA before but I am now starting to concentrate on Wing Chun which takes a different mentality.

 

What sort of exercise are you taking as surely this would effect how much protein\carbs you can eat.

 

I did Thai boxing for over 3 years but I got a bad injury and had to take a year off, Im now getting back into it but I know a fair few mma fighters and I think I may wanna go in that direction.

 

@ GEO, Yeah ive lost weight during my injury and I went abit downhill eating, and not being able to train made me give up. Its actually 125lbs That I weigh at the moment which I need to moved up to around 145lbs. Ive tried eating as much protein as I can but that didnt work, so after speaking with mates rather than doin what ive read on some websites they said try eating the same amount of protein as what I weigh in lbs. Oh the shake im having is Pro recover which I have after training. I drink water most of the time, always have done.

 

I can do this for you, if you pay me

What and end up looking like a banana hehehe.

 

@ Dude, Yes you read right Ive lost weight im 125lbs to be precise, funny enough I look slim but im not super skinny or anything and im still full of muscle no fat. If I can get to 10 stone thats all I need.

[ilicos]

You should always fight at your near minimum weight. I used to kick box and also trained in ishin ryu ju-jitsu for years and when I first started competing in tournaments I wanted to get bigger/heavier so that I could fight in higher divisions, but my body didn't feel right, and I was slower and not as effective! That's why most fighters drop weight before a fight.

 

As far as protein is concerned, unless you want to be a body builder like Geo and Dude, then knock yourself out with 2-2.5g/kg, but for conditioning I always went for 0.75-1g/kg of high quality protein but my man source was good food and kept my intake to ~25g per meal/serving.

[Abz]

You should always fight at your near minimum weight. I used to kick box and also trained in ishin ryu ju-jitsu for years and when I first started competing in tournaments I wanted to get bigger/heavier so that I could fight in higher divisions, but my body didn't feel right, and I was slower and not as effective! That's why most fighters drop weight before a fight.

 

As far as protein is concerned, unless you want to be a body builder like Geo and Dude, then knock yourself out with 2-2.5g/kg, but for conditioning I always went for 0.75-1g/kg of high quality protein but my man source was good food and kept my intake to ~25g per meal/serving.

 

Good Advice

[Benyon]

You should always fight at your near minimum weight. I used to kick box and also trained in ishin ryu ju-jitsu for years and when I first started competing in tournaments I wanted to get bigger/heavier so that I could fight in higher divisions, but my body didn't feel right, and I was slower and not as effective! That's why most fighters drop weight before a fight.

 

As far as protein is concerned, unless you want to be a body builder like Geo and Dude, then knock yourself out with 2-2.5g/kg, but for conditioning I always went for 0.75-1g/kg of high quality protein but my man source was good food and kept my intake to ~25g per meal/serving.

 

Yeah you're right there. Geo and Dude will Know more than me about protein and eating the good stuff, So Its still worth there input and to make sure Im not overdoing it. Ive always kept myself 'slim' like you said weight slows you down + muscle uses more energy and my cardio isn't too good at the moment. Its mainly the fact I dont know how many eggs to eat, Cheese and other things that dont say how much protein they contain.

 

I also need to change my milk to the blue cap one to help strengthen my bones (I used to have very strong shins at one point).

[lamboyello]

You go girls

[Benyon]

You go girls

 

EDIT: I thought you said "you do girls" lol nevermind.

[Jamesy]

Geo are u off the bulk powder now then? This new stuff any better mate?

[dude]

Yeah you're right there. Geo and Dude will Know more than me about protein and eating the good stuff, So Its still worth there input and to make sure Im not overdoing it. Ive always kept myself 'slim' like you said weight slows you down + muscle uses more energy and my cardio isn't too good at the moment. Its mainly the fact I dont know how many eggs to eat, Cheese and other things that dont say how much protein they contain.

 

I also need to change my milk to the blue cap one to help strengthen my bones (I used to have very strong shins at one point).

 

You really want 'natural protein' from sources that don't contain fat and cholestorol, cheese contains a lot of fat, try fish and white meats and smoked salmon, lean red meat is pretty good, I don't mind about 4 shakes a day and a weight gain in the morning, as soon as the hand is healed im back in the gym and looking to bulk back up a bit for the winter.

[ilicos]

Its mainly the fact I dont know how many eggs to eat, Cheese and other things that dont say how much protein they contain.

 

I also need to change my milk to the blue cap one to help strengthen my bones (I used to have very strong shins at one point).

 

Two boiled or poached each every morning for breakfast with wholemeal toast and olivio spread;) Keep your proteins seperate per sitting (i.e don't eat egg with chicken etc). I always stayed away from cheese as a dietary supplement cause of the negative elements outweighing the positive.

 

As for milk, stay away from it, and if you do use it make sure its green or red top. There is almost no calcium benefit in pastuerised homogenised milk as it is boiled to kill the bacteria, and at the same time kills the enzimes that have the benefits. Unless you can find certified 'raw' milk then it's not worth it. There is more calcium in a portion of cabbage than a litre of milk.

 

Buy a book called 'The Tao of Health, Sex and Longevity' by Daniel Reid;)

[ilicos]

An excellent tip for conditioning your shins is to get a round (cyclindrical) 1.5-2 litre bottle and fill it with water to about 2 inches before the top and freeze it. Then when frozen, use the bottle to hit and roll against your shins for about 20 mins a day.

[dude]

Yeah you're right there. Geo and Dude will Know more than me about protein and eating the good stuff, So Its still worth there input and to make sure Im not overdoing it. Ive always kept myself 'slim' like you said weight slows you down + muscle uses more energy and my cardio isn't too good at the moment. Its mainly the fact I dont know how many eggs to eat, Cheese and other things that dont say how much protein they contain.

 

I also need to change my milk to the blue cap one to help strengthen my bones (I used to have very strong shins at one point).

 

Some where I had a chart that told you the carb/fat/protein content of most pop foods were, even down to a Big Mac, if I can find it I will let you know and mail a copy.

[Benyon]

Two boiled or poached each every morning for breakfast with wholemeal toast and olivio spread;) Keep your proteins seperate per sitting (i.e don't eat egg with chicken etc). I always stayed away from cheese as a dietary supplement cause of the negative elements outweighing the positive.

 

As for milk, stay away from it, and if you do use it make sure its green or red top. There is almost no calcium benefit in pastuerised homogenised milk as it is boiled to kill the bacteria, and at the same time kills the enzimes that have the benefits. Unless you can find certified 'raw' milk then it's not worth it. There is more calcium in a portion of cabbage than a litre of milk.

 

Buy a book called 'The Tao of Health, Sex and Longevity' by Daniel Reid;)

 

Oh right stay away from cheese then, Also I was told the blue cap milk was the best for strengthening bones and the others had crap in them basically. Forgot about cabbage I used to eat a fair bit of that years ago too.

 

Would it not be better to have porrage oats for breakfast and boiled eggs for the next meal? Also am I best eating every two hours?

 

Soon as I get to 10stone again I will keep my weight there so I dont have to worry as much about putting weight on. This is sort of my first stage lol.

[Benyon]

Some where I had a chart that told you the carb/fat/protein content of most pop foods were, even down to a Big Mac, if I can find it I will let you know and mail a copy.

 

Yes please that would be very helpfull.

 

An excellent tip for conditioning your shins is to get a round (cyclindrical) 1.5-2 litre bottle and fill it with water to about 2 inches before the top and freeze it. Then when frozen, use the bottle to hit and roll against your shins for about 20 mins a day.

 

Im used to rolling my shin lumps/bruises back down with a bottle, so your bottle freezing idea should work well, Im sure I have a big bottle of water somewhere.

[ilicos]

Would it not be better to have porrage oats for breakfast and boiled eggs for the next meal? Also am I best eating every two hours?

 

Your body can struggle to digest porridge and although the oats release energy evenly and slowly throughout the day, If it is protein you want, then it's eggs you need;)

 

You should split your meals into 5 or 6 meals evenly throughout the day with each meal roughly the size of your fist

[Tannhauser]

As for milk, stay away from it, and if you do use it make sure its green or red top. There is almost no calcium benefit in pastuerised homogenised milk as it is boiled to kill the bacteria, and at the same time kills the enzimes that have the benefits. Unless you can find certified 'raw' milk then it's not worth it. There is more calcium in a portion of cabbage than a litre of milk.

 

Not true. Pasteurisation doesn't do much to the availability of calcium.

 

Mr. Benyon, there's an awful lot of overthinking on this thread. Don't worry about combining or separating various protein sources. There is no evidence it makes any difference.

 

You need calorific excess. Just get some food down your neck and don't sweat the ratios. If you're resistance training and have decent testosterone levels, you'll partition most of it as muscle. You could err on the side of getting plenty of protein, but after years of scarfing down hundreds of grams of protein a day, I'm not really sure it's all that necessary.

 

I very much doubt that the differences between brands of protein justify the price differences. It's just market positioning.

[supracars]

Not true. Pasteurisation doesn't do much to the availability of calcium.

 

Mr. Benyon, there's an awful lot of overthinking on this thread. Don't worry about combining or separating various protein sources. There is no evidence it makes any difference.

 

You need calorific excess. Just get some food down your neck and don't sweat the ratios. If you're resistance training and have decent testosterone levels, you'll partition most of it as muscle. You could err on the side of getting plenty of protein, but after years of scarfing down hundreds of grams of protein a day, I'm not really sure it's all that necessary.

 

I very much doubt that the differences between brands of protein justify the price differences. It's just market positioning.

 

 

best advice so far IMHO..

[Sam Handwich]

Hint on protein

 

MONSTER MILK!! Best shake on the market IMO and Muscle milk before bedtime. Both have very high protein content and i believe are the lowest fat shakes, also are prob the best tasting. Ive been off training for a while now but im gonna be stocking up again on these ready to start next month.

 

For Mass i would also recommend Gaspari, few friends are on this and have had good results.

 

Also i would get some Animal Cuts, helps you stay 'cut up' whilst on the shakes and heavy training and also help remove the 'bad stuff' from the food your eating

[ilicos]

Not true. Pasteurisation doesn't do much to the availability of calcium.

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Quoted from a single google search. I have read and researched quite a bit about the effects of Pasteurisation and 99% of reports say the same thing! "Pure milk is rich in calcium and other important and useful minerals. People living in the countryside are healthier and live longer lives than people living in the cities because the former group consumes milk in its pure form. Nature has included all important nutrients in milk for its proper digestion. Even skim milk made by mixing water with milk is more beneficial than the milk we drink from cartons.

 

The reason why people like us who drink milk on a regular basis and are still calcium deficient is the process of pasteurization. Pasteurized milk is not only low in calcium but is also difficult to digest. Therefore, calcium in milk is not absorbed by the bloodstream. Furthermore, sugar and salt increases the rate of calcium loss through urine".

 

Full article: http://ezinearticles.com/?Calcium-In-Milk---The-Advantages-And-Disadvantages-Of-Consuming-Calcium-In-Milk&id=657324

 

And another: http://www.karlloren.com/diet/milk/p8.htm

 

and they keepgoing......

[Tannhauser]

Quoted from a single google search. I have read and researched quite a bit about the effects of Pasteurisation and 99% of reports say the same thing! "Pure milk is rich in calcium and other important and useful minerals. People living in the countryside are healthier and live longer lives than people living in the cities because the former group consumes milk in its pure form. Nature has included all important nutrients in milk for its proper digestion. Even skim milk made by mixing water with milk is more beneficial than the milk we drink from cartons.

 

The reason why people like us who drink milk on a regular basis and are still calcium deficient is the process of pasteurization. Pasteurized milk is not only low in calcium but is also difficult to digest. Therefore, calcium in milk is not absorbed by the bloodstream. Furthermore, sugar and salt increases the rate of calcium loss through urine".

 

Full article: http://ezinearticles.com/?Calcium-In-Milk---The-Advantages-And-Disadvantages-Of-Consuming-Calcium-In-Milk&id=657324

 

And another: http://www.karlloren.com/diet/milk/p8.htm

 

and they keepgoing......

 

Unfortunately, I'm off to work now, so I can't address your comments at the moment. I'm interested in your psychic powers that allow you to see exactly how much research I've done into the topic. For all you know, I might have a PhD in bio-availability of minerals.

 

For now, here's a hint: food-faddists are a circle jerk club. They all quote each other's disinformation, with no attempt at checking anything, which is why you will find the same nonsense repeated ad infinitum.

[AlliRR]

i would also recommend Gaspari

 

I wouldn't, for he simple reason I've had better results from Reflex proteins. superpump and size on were good gaspari products though. Phd stuff was good also , didn't taste great though and gave me the $hit$... Promax bars were good for a snack on the go. Each to their own though! And good luck!

[Geo]

Geo are u off the bulk powder now then? This new stuff any better mate?

 

yes mate, iv actually gone off the taste as iv been using it for a good while now switched onto Extreme/PHD for a change, these taste amazing. just shop wround for best price thats what i did

[sdistc]

Quoted from a single google search. I have read and researched quite a bit about the effects of Pasteurisation and 99% of reports say the same thing! "Pure milk is rich in calcium and other important and useful minerals. People living in the countryside are healthier and live longer lives than people living in the cities because the former group consumes milk in its pure form. Nature has included all important nutrients in milk for its proper digestion. Even skim milk made by mixing water with milk is more beneficial than the milk we drink from cartons.

 

The reason why people like us who drink milk on a regular basis and are still calcium deficient is the process of pasteurization. Pasteurized milk is not only low in calcium but is also difficult to digest. Therefore, calcium in milk is not absorbed by the bloodstream. Furthermore, sugar and salt increases the rate of calcium loss through urine".

 

Full article: http://ezinearticles.com/?Calcium-In-Milk---The-Advantages-And-Disadvantages-Of-Consuming-Calcium-In-Milk&id=657324

 

And another: http://www.karlloren.com/diet/milk/p8.htm

 

and they keepgoing......

 

Unfortunately, I'm off to work now, so I can't address your comments at the moment. I'm interested in your psychic powers that allow you to see exactly how much research I've done into the topic. For all you know, I might have a PhD in bio-availability of minerals.

 

For now, here's a hint: food-faddists are a circle jerk club. They all quote each other's disinformation, with no attempt at checking anything, which is why you will find the same nonsense repeated ad infinitum.

 

Tannhauser makes a valid point - without proper referencing to reputable sources (i.e. peer-reviewed research), the internet is a very poor source for fact. And unfortunately the websites you've cited, ilicos, are full of assertion, not fact. Do you have any MedLine or PubMed articles you can link us to instead?

[Jamesy]

yes mate, iv actually gone off the taste as iv been using it for a good while now switched onto Extreme/PHD for a change, these taste amazing. just shop wround for best price thats what i did

 

cheers dude im all over that Extreme now

[ilicos]

Not true. Pasteurisation doesn't do much to the availability of calcium.

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Unfortunately, I'm off to work now, so I can't address your comments at the moment. I'm interested in your psychic powers that allow you to see exactly how much research I've done into the topic. For all you know, I might have a PhD in bio-availability of minerals.

ad infinitum.

 

 

And I too am interested in your psychic powers that immediately told me I was wrong and assumed that I knew nothing about the matter!

 

My info does not come from the net, but valid books and FDA research. I simply added the links after a quick google search to give a quick broad view.

 

Very quickly:

1. Pasteurised milk fed to calves resulted in poor health and even death in infancy.

2. Fed as sole calcium supplement to humans results in poor bone density resulting from calcium deficiency.

3. Enzymes that are destroyed through the process result in the nutrients not being properly absorbed by the pancreas, even though they were present in tests on the pasteurised milk. As you should know, enzymes are the living organisms (good and bad) that are present in non-processed foods and an absolute necessity to get the best out of food. - Hence why raw fish is healthier than cooked, rare meat healthier than well done, and raw vegetables healthier than cooked!

 

The guy is here for opinions, you don't see me or anyone else commenting on other peoples advice telling them they are wrong! We are just giving our best advice so that Benyon can decide what works best for him.

 

Take a leaf out of your own book before you get your knickers in a twist!