Morpheus Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Good point - what did Morrissey ever do for us either?! "I was looking for a thread and then I found a thread.......and heaven knows I'm miserable now......... In my life, why do I waste valuable time, with people who don't care if I live or die?" Works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinboy Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 "I was looking for a thread and then I found a thread.......and heaven knows I'm miserable now......... In my life, why do I waste valuable time, with people who don't care if I live or die?" Works for me. Yep good stuff. Still ill though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Sorry for another long post guys but hey Ian, what's your view on how this all 'came about' so to speak? I don't mean Clever Trevor's antics. That's an even deeper mystery unless it really was you! I don't think so somehow though. My brother thinks that it's all just a 'random accident', but the laws of physics prettymuch preclude random events or gravity wouldn't even exist. Nothing so coherent would or could. Even chaos has to be based on cause and effect at some level. At what point did someone decide that the laws of physics would limit the amount of energy in the Cosmos and doom us all to live in a closed loop? That can only happen if this were a part of the whole and not the whole. Therefore, there is much more to it than meets the eye, as theoretically atleast, the energy source must be infinite. If not, why does there have to be a limit to it? Because we can't imagine or accept infinity as a concept? Yet again, I digress. I visualise chaos like Brownian motion or how a gas behaves; seemingly random and utterly chaotic from our perspective but simply the collision of countless tiny molecules or particles, the properties of which, if they were known, would make the entire Universe predictable into infinity but for one thing: the organising principle or consciousness that bends and shapes what we laughably call 'solid' matter. This is what gives atoms their nudge, I reckon, so that they collide non-randomly toward order. Gravity, if you like. The Matrix, magnetic fields, the mind of God, even. Either way, that which decides, guides and then collides and ultimately, provides. To say that God doesn't exist is like saying that the sum total of all that is, actually isn't, since that's what 'God' by definition, must be for it to be of any authority, for want of a much better word. Perhaps 'objectivity' or 'complete awareness of itself'. It must be everything, (including that which it is not). I guess that your reasoning is that God is a similar creature to us and can't exist because 'he' wouldn't allow such suffering etc. being 100% good and all. People believe the bit that says that He made us in His own image and then use this as the excuse to deny His existence because of what we think that 'He' would be like. Fascinating cognitive dissonance. Talk about a selective memory! That's what most people get hung up on; some childhood Biblical Fairy Tale. Of course God doesn't exist if 'He' is supposed to intervene everytime we 'wrong' eachother, as clearly He doesn't give a Monkey's unless He's keeping score for Judgement Day to keep Himself amused. What sort of sadistic megalomaniac would do that? Why would a God worthy of the name damn His own children to Hell for all eternity? Malice? If so, I'll keep looking, thanks, not that I'm looking to worship anything or anyone. What God would demand to be worshipped? Would God need defending also? Yet people kill to 'honour' 'His' name. Cannot God take care of Him/itself? We insult God or Allah by assuming that He needs our help! So, having established that this storybook definition of God is hopelessly limited, absurd and invalid, we have to re-define what God is, since some form of intelligence had to organise this whole 'reality' of ours and they obviously didn't intend for it to be without purpose or pleasure, (see photos below, trotters or hoofs, whichever turn you on the most guys!). You can argue that it's all just logical progression, of course. The only way that it could have been and I'd agree. There's a mechanistic and predictable environment. It's the organic forms of matter that fascinate me the most, so called because they are organised beyond the norm, of course. We call them 'alive' or infused with an energy of a higher order. Intelligent, even. We call ourselves intelligent and yet deny our Creator this privilege, whatever form or formlessness it takes. Everywhere yet nowhere, or now here. Everywhere yet now here, i.e. all things simultaneously yet able to observe from a single relative perspective, that which it is. That's our job, by the way! Are you a fan of intelligent design Ian, as I'd like to find something upon which we can both agree for once? Yeah, after the first paragraph that was me done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Yep good stuff. Still ill though What's wrong, you got Spanish Flu too? Hey, what's the TW habit that you just kicked? Perhaps you were a Tupperware addict and you're suffering from withdrawal symptoms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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