Abz Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Iran do not allow inspectors consistent access to their facilities, and therefore (IMO) they should not be allowed it. Don't blame them, look what happen to Iraq. America claimed they had WMD & then just started bombing the country & forgot about old Bin Laden. Before they even visited Iran for inspection they already made speculation they had Nuclear weapons & needed to be shut down before they killed everyone. The fact that Iran is one of the most sophisticated countries in the world in regards to science & technology and most importantly nuclear science makes no difference. Shame the world is run by puppets or I would have suggested a world governing body to monitor something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Inappropriate..!! Why do they need to pray right on the site of one of the worst terrorist attrocities the world has ever seen. I don't like threads like this but I am with Martin on this one. It's an insult to all the people who died. This is a victory for all Muslims, even the terrorists amongst them..!! That should never happen in my book. H. First off all its not on the site. Its 2 blocks away no where near the site. Mosque is a place of worship (house of GOD)not terrorist Muslims are not terrorists twisted minded people are (you get them in all religions) Insult well what about the 60 or so muslims that died there that day including my uncle and his friend who went to work like any other day. So you see people we all need to unite to fight and get ride off these kind of people from our societies regardless what religion they are. They use religion for the wrong reasons. Plus has any one even Read the Qur'an??? Its all about peace Islam means peace. So please dont BRAND all muslims as terrorists and do some research and read the facts about ISLAM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Does it mean peace to all followers of Islam or everyone? What about none believers? Just curious as I haven't read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Don't blame them, look what happen to Iraq. America claimed they had WMD & then just started bombing the country & forgot about old Bin Laden. It would seem that the invasion of Iraq was unjustified, but neither of us are in full possesion of the facts. WMDs or not, the people of Iraq were being oppressed and i'm certain that the majority of Iraqis will lead better lives in the future, so long as the situation over there continues to improve. Before they even visited Iran for inspection they already made speculation they had Nuclear weapons & needed to be shut down before they killed everyone. The fact that Iran is one of the most sophisticated countries in the world in regards to science & technology and most importantly nuclear science makes no difference. It's not just the fact that the technology can be used to make very powerful weapons. Nuclear reactors are obviously very dangerous, and require alot of very expensive maintainence. There should be a minimum (extremely high) standard for the maintainence of these and the disposal of waste product. Just look at Russia. Chernobyl being the obvious one, but then there's the dumped Nuclear fleet in the Arctic leaking radioactive material into the surrounding area. Everyone who uses Nuclear energy HAS to be accountable to the rest of the world with regards to safety. As for Iran being one of the most sophisticated countries in the world, I don't believe that at all. From the very little that Westerners get to see of Iraq, much of thier civil / military equipment looks fairly crude, much of it developed from old Soviet era and some 1960s American technology. They're a good 40-50 years behind our Nuclear technology too. It will take them many years to catch up with our refinements of this technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a98pmalcolm Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 yer y not! they cheered with the towers went down and burning american flags . . . . . F*ck them!! Im not saying all muslims are nasty as i have some muslim friends from bangladesh. But its one douch burning a book.... so no fuss in my eyes.. Looked what happened when that teacher was trying to "teach" and as she labled Muhamid as a teddy bear, they were out for blood! 100's of them!! ANd what about those muslims that that shouted "let all the dead british soliders burn in hell" In ENGLAND next to nothing got done. But if i sad that about there soilders in there country i would have been hung!! Non muslims cant do ANYTHING or it will be because its rasit or against the religian... Im so fed up of hearing about all the rubish that goes on about all these bloody religians.... Thats y im athiest its just al hassel and problems... Burn what ever!!! I bet they burn 100's of bibles but nothing was said or it would have been "racist"" PSST! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Does it mean peace to all followers of Islam or everyone? What about none believers? Just curious as I haven't read it. It means Peace to everyone And non believers can also read the Qu'ran in any language and get inner peace. Islam is all about peace.and Caring about fellow humans regardless of religion. Islam teaches to respect other religions. Youtube Dr. Zakir Naik he talks about and explains Islam in english. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a98pmalcolm Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 It means Peace to everyone And non believers can also read the Qu'ran in any language and get inner peace. Islam is all about peace.and Caring about fellow humans regardless of religion. Islam teaches to respect other religions. Youtube Dr. Zakir Naik he talks about and explains Islam in english. Nice to see all the terrorists see it that way to the innocent!! And alot of the lil rude boy muslims in bedford making hassel as if lil gangsters!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Nice to see all the terrorist see it that way to the innocent!! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a98pmalcolm Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 ? "It means Peace to everyone" I wouldnt say there peacefull to everyone!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 It would seem that the invasion of Iraq was unjustified, but neither of us are in full possesion of the facts. WMDs or not, the people of Iraq were being oppressed and i'm certain that the majority of Iraqis will lead better lives in the future, so long as the situation over there continues to improve. I doubt you could say they are more free now, with well over 150,000 civilians dead I'd say their are fewer of them now. Looking through the history of Saddam & the work which he did with the CIA I am not too sure we are better off with him gone. A lot of other countries suffer oppression but are of no interest to the USA. It's not just the fact that the technology can be used to make very powerful weapons. Nuclear reactors are obviously very dangerous, and require alot of very expensive maintainence. There should be a minimum (extremely high) standard for the maintainence of these and the disposal of waste product. Just look at Russia. Chernobyl being the obvious one, but then there's the dumped Nuclear fleet in the Arctic leaking radioactive material into the surrounding area. Everyone who uses Nuclear energy HAS to be accountable to the rest of the world with regards to safety. As for Iran being one of the most sophisticated countries in the world, I don't believe that at all. From the very little that Westerners get to see of Iraq, much of thier civil / military equipment looks fairly crude, much of it developed from old Soviet era and some 1960s American technology. They're a good 40-50 years behind our Nuclear technology too. It will take them many years to catch up with our refinements of this technology. I agree with regards to guidelines to be set to a extremely high standard. Iran can afford the cost of this, remember they are sitting on the 2nd world's largest gas reservoir, not forgetting oil. We need a body to take charge on a nuclear program & discuss options, only then will be able to come to a conclusion. With regards to technology being lagging far behind in Iran, you might not find that true. While that could be the case for Afghanistan & Iraq, Iran is a different kettle of fish. They have a number of top universities & one of the main subjects which gets studied their is science & technology, apparently 70-80% are women who study it! yer y not! they cheered with the towers went down and burning american flags . . . . . F*ck them!! Im not saying all muslims are nasty as i have some muslim friends from bangladesh. But its one douch burning a book.... so no fuss in my eyes.. Looked what happened when that teacher was trying to "teach" and as she labled Muhamid as a teddy bear, they were out for blood! 100's of them!! ANd what about those muslims that that shouted "let all the dead british soliders burn in hell" In ENGLAND next to nothing got done. But if i sad that about there soilders in there country i would have been hung!! Non muslims cant do ANYTHING or it will be because its rasit or against the religian... Im so fed up of hearing about all the rubish that goes on about all these bloody religians.... Thats y im athiest its just al hassel and problems... Burn what ever!!! I bet they burn 100's of bibles but nothing was said or it would have been "racist"" PSST! I was going to reply back but I feel like I would be wasting my time, I am sure you have already made your presumptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 apparently 70-80% are women That sounds promising. Iran gets a very bad rep for the treatment of women, so if that's true then that's excellent I hope the west is able to develop a state of trust with Iran in time, so that safe Nuclear energy is available for all who want it. Unfortunately I suspect relations with Iran will get worse before they get better I believe Jack Nicholson coined it best in 'Mars Attacks'; "can't we all just, get along" Wise words for such a crap film Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 "It means Peace to everyone" I wouldnt say there peacefull to everyone!! Well that could be said about any religion. Its the media messing with everyones heads causing hate between everyone. No need for it. And talking about "lil gangsters in bedford" have you been to Glasgow. I cant go to a mainly white area with out getting abuse shouted at me. It happens everywhere its just the world we live in. Instead of us fighting over whos religion is right or wrong why not just get along in peace and get ride of the people that cause harm and hate in the first place(who dont give a toss about religion anyway but use it for war) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Yes, in Islam you have a positive duty to report on anything that you know would cause harm to others. So it was them who came up with the Health and Safety Executive then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 It's not actually near ground zero at all. It's a few blocks away Total media hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Even though this has been probably said before, but I bet that Terry Jones was misinformed by some daft hick that the mosque was going to be built at ground zero, and so he started his campaign. When he was shown that it actually wasn't, he had to quickly back track and make out that it'd been moved to a few blocks away. The WW3 starting numpty! Americans. Leave things alone. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 I thought we were having a clamp down on religious threads? Do we not class this as one? I note in response to the threat of burning a book people are stamping on flags. Seems daft all round to me. Why give any of it any attention? Goes back to my issue with the media.... hype hype hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 It still puzzles me in this so called educated era that the burning of a book and stamping on a flag upsets people, why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Hi guys, sorry I'm late to the party. IBTL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Post 1: Numbty Korna's I love your work Geo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 It still puzzles me in this so called educated era that the burning of a book and stamping on a flag upsets people, why? It gives them something to complain about. And in our little micro-society it gives the moderators something to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 It And in our little micro-society it gives the moderators something to do They're not going to be burning books to are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 I have two thoughts. First of all, about burning this book who's spelling seems to appear different everytime it's typed. It IS still just a book. Just because some people believe what is written in it, there's no need to be offended by someone burning it. Just shrug your shoulders, realise that some people are idiots and continue to live your life however you want to. As to building a mosque on ground zero. (I know it's acutall two blocks away or whatever) I say yes do it. Build it right in the middle. Show the terrorists that the west fully embraces different religions. Being drawn into conflict is what these terrorists want. I would build the grandest mosque right there, and then build equally stunning places of worship for each major religion. Give the terrorists a proper two fingered salute. All this hatred being generated, that results in one group of people setting about another is a bit like Helta Skelta isn't it? Peace out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 I have two thoughts. First of all, about burning this book who's spelling seems to appear different everytime it's typed. It IS still just a book. Just because some people believe what is written in it, there's no need to be offended by someone burning it. Just shrug your shoulders, realise that some people are idiots and continue to live your life however you want to. As to building a mosque on ground zero. (I know it's acutall two blocks away or whatever) I say yes do it. Build it right in the middle. Show the terrorists that the west fully embraces different religions. Being drawn into conflict is what these terrorists want. I would build the grandest mosque right there, and then build equally stunning places of worship for each major religion. Give the terrorists a proper two fingered salute. All this hatred being generated, that results in one group of people setting about another is a bit like Helta Skelta isn't it? Peace out. Great post Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 They're not going to be burning books to are they? No, they're going to be locking threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 No, they're going to be locking threads. No fire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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