Scott Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Anyone got any insight into finding out clutch limitations of run of the mill cars? I'm looking to get either a Mondeo TDCi or a Civic CDTi. Pretty much straight away I will be looking to re-map it but I want to see what the stock clutch can take before I go anywhere. I have even tried searching for upgraded clutches and can't find anything. Clearly looking in the wrong places, where are the right places? Any info would be great, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supranature Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 By strange coincidence I was chatting to a mechanic today about the diesel Avensis vs Mondeo vs Vectra. This guy told me that a stock clutch in the Mondeo costs £600 to buy(trade) and to go with the Avensis every time. His has got 244,000 miles on it without any engine out work. I would imagine an uprated Mondeo clutch, if one is available, is going to be stupid money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 25, 2010 Author Share Posted August 25, 2010 Yeah, the price is because of the dual mass flywheel. You can get a solid kit for around £300. I just joined the ST owners forum and there doesn't seem to be any mention of upgraded clutches, or of them being required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supranature Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 How much more power can you get from a remapped TdCi? Probably the stock clutch "can" handle a 10/20% hike in power, but this would probably accelerate its need to be changed. The mechanic I spoke to said that most of the clutches he had changed needed a new flywheel, as he did explain the £600 to me because I found it outrageous. (A Corsa thrust bearing is £80 as its hydraulic...wtf) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 How much more power can you get from a remapped TdCi? Probably the stock clutch "can" handle a 10/20% hike in power, but this would probably accelerate its need to be changed. The mechanic I spoke to said that most of the clutches he had changed needed a new flywheel, as he did explain the £600 to me because I found it outrageous. (A Corsa thrust bearing is £80 as its hydraulic...wtf) My Golf got a 30% increase in power after a remap and there don't seem to be any problems with the clutch after a year and a few months of driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Stay Toyota IMO - the parts always seem to have that little bit 'extra' engineered into them compared with GM or Ford parts or even Nissan parts. Case in point is my Mrs. '55 plate Fiat Croma baby buggy - it just needed a new steering rack at 58,000 miles - I mean, WTF?!? It's a GM product and effectively a Vectra-C / Signum underneath sharing the same diesel engines too. Fiat and Vauxhall wanted £1k inc. VAT for the new rack (electro-hydraulic power steering system) or £700 for a reconditioned one - just for the part. In the end, I found ACS power steering specialists via ebay who supplied a Vectra-C recon rack for £126 all in, on an exchange basis. Local garage were £190 labour to do the job. I still feel shafted! Have never needed to do a steering rack on any of the Toyotas I've owned, only more understandable items like shocks etc. as they age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 The days of over engineering are over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 26, 2010 Author Share Posted August 26, 2010 Stay Toyota IMO - the parts always seem to have that little bit 'extra' engineered into them compared with GM or Ford parts or even Nissan parts. Case in point is my Mrs. '55 plate Fiat Croma baby buggy - it just needed a new steering rack at 58,000 miles - I mean, WTF?!? It's a GM product and effectively a Vectra-C / Signum underneath sharing the same diesel engines too. Fiat and Vauxhall wanted £1k inc. VAT for the new rack (electro-hydraulic power steering system) or £700 for a reconditioned one - just for the part. In the end, I found ACS power steering specialists via ebay who supplied a Vectra-C recon rack for £126 all in, on an exchange basis. Local garage were £190 labour to do the job. I still feel shafted! Have never needed to do a steering rack on any of the Toyotas I've owned, only more understandable items like shocks etc. as they age. I wish I could stay Toyota, be honest though..... have you seen the range? I want something that looks good, a little sporty and drives well. It also has to be an oil burner as I love the way the power/torque is delivered while cruising. It's just going to be a daily driver and a baby buggy but I still want to have a little fun I've been on the ST forum and there doesn't seem to be any mention of clutch slippage due to the power hikes. The only mention is the ridiculous price of the DM flywheel. If that goes on me I'd just go with the solid version. Exedy seem to be the only option for aftermarket clutches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 Have you tried Helix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrosixfour Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 What about an auto Mondeo Scott? Surely a clutchless motor would be the epitome of a cruiser. I was led to believe the Avensis suffers the same dual mass flywheel woes as the Fords and my mam's yaris with 50,000 of the easiest miles on it needed steering rack attention last year as it suddenly lost all powered assistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 26, 2010 Author Share Posted August 26, 2010 Have you tried Helix? Good call, I had a look on the Helix website but it seems very out of date. With a quick search I found them on ebay but I can't browse in work. Cheers Wez What about an auto Mondeo Scott? Surely a clutchless motor would be the epitome of a cruiser. I was led to believe the Avensis suffers the same dual mass flywheel woes as the Fords and my mam's yaris with 50,000 of the easiest miles on it needed steering rack attention last year as it suddenly lost all powered assistance. I had thought about an auto but I don't think the sporty mondeo comes in an auto variant. I quite enjoy driving a manual also, I don't want to get too lazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprab1 Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 What about an auto Mondeo Scott? Surely a clutchless motor would be the epitome of a cruiser. I was led to believe the Avensis suffers the same dual mass flywheel woes as the Fords and my mam's yaris with 50,000 of the easiest miles on it needed steering rack attention last year as it suddenly lost all powered assistance. I'm nearly 100% my friends yaris (07-08) was recalled for the steering rack. Look into this because you might be able to get a few pound back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrosixfour Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 I'm nearly 100% my friends yaris (07-08) was recalled for the steering rack. Look into this because you might be able to get a few pound back. It's a '03 yaris Rab. Methinks the warranty is well up on 'er:d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprab1 Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 it's a '03 yaris rab. Methinks the warranty is well up on 'er:d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelboyne Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 I wish I could stay Toyota, be honest though..... have you seen the range? I want something that looks good, a little sporty and drives well. It also has to be an oil burner as I love the way the power/torque is delivered while cruising. It's just going to be a daily driver and a baby buggy but I still want to have a little fun I've been on the ST forum and there doesn't seem to be any mention of clutch slippage due to the power hikes. The only mention is the ridiculous price of the DM flywheel. If that goes on me I'd just go with the solid version. Exedy seem to be the only option for aftermarket clutches. scot what about a nice body kit tte on a auris 2.2 diseal friend has one chipped to 210hp 6 speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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