Richie1985 Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 All I can find is this from a few days ago; http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/12/29/204253/Playstation-3-Code-Signing-Cracked-For-Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottC Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 These guys seem to be pretty excited http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/happy-new-year-sony-here-your-ps3-keys-74166/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted January 3, 2011 Author Share Posted January 3, 2011 I have no idea what any of that means What are the advantages? Simply put, U'll be able to install an emulator to play games for snes, megadrive, dreamcast, wii etc... Witout doing anything to your ps3. So means u can still use psn. Etc.... The fact it will support mkv files as well is a big thing alone. Of course a iso loader will be made by someone as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottC Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 Ok sounds cool....I think So the Ps3 has just become an all in one console. I'm guessing Sony isn't going to be to happy about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 It will still be a cat and mouse chase as future games won't load on the current loaders. Sony use a certain SDK to create their firmwares. Developers also use this SDK to create the games. If a new SDK is released, the developers must use the latest version. GT5 took so long because the developer was told to change the SDK they used to make the game, so that it would kill the hack that was doing the rounds. Anyway, all current firware and current games have been created using the current SDK. The code for digitaly signing packages has been cracked. This means that in order to kill of the hack a new SDK will have to be created with new codes. The problem is that you can, in theory, create a backup launcher that is digitally signed with the current legitimate SDK code. If such a program was installed, no matter what firmware goes on after it has been installed, it won't be detected or stopped from running. The downfall, and where the cat and mouse comes into it, is when Sony bring out a new SDK they will no doubt bring in new protocalls of launching games. The current backup launchers won't have the ability to run future games.... and if the PS3 is at the highest firmware level there will be no way of installing a new package (as the new firmware will have a different key). Custom firmware is going to be the way forward IMO, I'm just not sure how it will be future proof. At the end of the day, regardless of what happens, the walls put up by Sony will be brought down by the Crackers sooner or later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 FYI at the moment the safest firmware to have on a modded console is 3.41. You can upgrade to 3.50 and then downgrade to 3.41 again, potentially losing Bluray playing ability I have read. As the files can now be opened up and edited, current games such as GT5 and NFS can now be edited and played on 3.41 firmware. Still no PSN though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 A bit more info on this here if anyones interested: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2011-01-04-hackers-destroy-playstation-3-security-in-response-to-otheros-removal I was very unhappy when they removed the ability to install linux on the PS3, was a huge selling point and seems to be the reason the hackers have decided to attack Sony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I was very unhappy when they removed the ability to install linux on the PS3, was a huge selling point and seems to be the reason the hackers have decided to attack Sony. Same here, I am not sure how they got away with removing such a feature without landing themselves in court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie1985 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I'm guessing there isn't a way to run a launcher program on 3.55 yet? Is there any way to downgrade from 3.55? I've had a look about the web but it's proving difficult to find current info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Same here, I am not sure how they got away with removing such a feature without landing themselves in court. Shhhhh else EdLexus will jump on the bandwagon too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted January 4, 2011 Author Share Posted January 4, 2011 It will still be a cat and mouse chase as future games won't load on the current loaders. Sony use a certain SDK to create their firmwares. Developers also use this SDK to create the games. If a new SDK is released, the developers must use the latest version. GT5 took so long because the developer was told to change the SDK they used to make the game, so that it would kill the hack that was doing the rounds. Anyway, all current firware and current games have been created using the current SDK. The code for digitaly signing packages has been cracked. This means that in order to kill of the hack a new SDK will have to be created with new codes. The problem is that you can, in theory, create a backup launcher that is digitally signed with the current legitimate SDK code. If such a program was installed, no matter what firmware goes on after it has been installed, it won't be detected or stopped from running. The downfall, and where the cat and mouse comes into it, is when Sony bring out a new SDK they will no doubt bring in new protocalls of launching games. The current backup launchers won't have the ability to run future games.... and if the PS3 is at the highest firmware level there will be no way of installing a new package (as the new firmware will have a different key). Custom firmware is going to be the way forward IMO, I'm just not sure how it will be future proof. At the end of the day, regardless of what happens, the walls put up by Sony will be brought down by the Crackers sooner or later pretty good sum up, however one key thing is this key...the key they have got Sony cant change all the key hackers in the scene have confirmed this. If they were to change this key all games released to date would stop working, all psn downloads...everything. One thing they may do is create a 2nd key and add additional stamps to the games to make them use a 2nd key but thats alot of work. SDK 3.50 was only a problem and a delay because they couldnt decrypt it, with the new root key, sony can create as many SDK keys as they want they'll just decrypt it again and again, unless they do the above. I dont think custom firmware is the way forward, custom firmware can be detected and then say goodbye to PSN (unless your able to spoof machine ID's but i dont think thats known yet) if you've digitally signed an app to install on official firmware why do you need custom firmware? It really wouldnt surprise me if t he future consoles are online consoles only as it really does make it much harder to keep a hacked system under wraps then. either way i think they'll be custom firmware, apps, loaders, linux. Geohot suggested a psn / cydia type store, so you simply browse to it on ps3 and download to ps3 and it autoinstalls! nice way to get all the bits you want! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 pretty good sum up, however one key thing is this key...the key they have got Sony cant change all the key hackers in the scene have confirmed this. If they were to change this key all games released to date would stop working, all psn downloads...everything. One thing they may do is create a 2nd key and add additional stamps to the games to make them use a 2nd key but thats alot of work. SDK 3.50 was only a problem and a delay because they couldnt decrypt it, with the new root key, sony can create as many SDK keys as they want they'll just decrypt it again and again, unless they do the above. I dont think custom firmware is the way forward, custom firmware can be detected and then say goodbye to PSN (unless your able to spoof machine ID's but i dont think thats known yet) if you've digitally signed an app to install on official firmware why do you need custom firmware? It really wouldnt surprise me if t he future consoles are online consoles only as it really does make it much harder to keep a hacked system under wraps then. either way i think they'll be custom firmware, apps, loaders, linux. Geohot suggested a psn / cydia type store, so you simply browse to it on ps3 and download to ps3 and it autoinstalls! nice way to get all the bits you want! Yeah sorry, the 2nd key was what I was meaning. Having the original key for everything up to firmware 3.6 and then having a new key for every post 3.6. It's going to be hell though (for Sony that is lol). Yeah you're right about the CFW, it's FAR easier than that lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Exciting stuff. I don't want this so that I can play pirated games, I want it for all the homebrew/emulators etc. that could now be available for it. The homebrew channel on the Wii is really good, why don't manufacturers see that people want this and provide it themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Well that's the first custom firmware out. If installed you can permenantly add "install PKG" to the menu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 Im gonna get a PS3 now i think, so i have everything altogether where i want it without turning on a PC. however custom firmware, im still unsure, im sure they'll detect it on PSN and ban people....Scott how does banning on PSN work, console or tag? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 There isn't any banning as of yet bud. Sony just don't allow anyone who doesn't have xxx firmware onto the PSN.... guess they will need to rethink that one. The 360 is using custom firmware and people aren't getting banned. It shouldn't be an issue now that the packages are seen as legit. It's always going to be cat and mouse, but as with the xbox and the wii.... I'm willing to take that risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Well that's the first custom firmware out. If installed you can permenantly add "install PKG" to the menu. How? Got a link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I'm at work just now but I will post it later if someone doesn't in the meantime. At the moment it won't do you any good though as the packages need to be signed in order to install them. At this moment there aren't any signed but I'm sure many minds are on the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 http://www.ps3-hacks.com/ That site will keep most people up to date Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Modified firmwares and the first homebrew emulators out now I see, might have to give it a try tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted January 10, 2011 Author Share Posted January 10, 2011 first backups working as well (castlevania confirmed), via a custom firmware which allowed some backups to boot with correct backup manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Custom firmware out with signed backup manager that works with it. Nes, snes and megadrive homebrew out. Yay!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Custom firmware out with signed backup manager that works with it. Need to be very careful with that, reports of it bricking lots of consoles. Mainly the old 60GB ones I believe though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Need to be very careful with that, reports of it bricking lots of consoles. Mainly the old 60GB ones I believe though. Yeah, NAND RAM has to be checked for anyone wanting to give it a go. I'm not risking it yet but the fact that a working firmware/backup manager/homebrew setup works is good news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaGSi Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 After giving Mass effect 2 a blast for afew hours I think I will definitely be buying that Had to wait for it but its definitely been worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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