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[tbourner]

 

Forced abortions, nothing to do with health care. Poor familes can't support another child the same as people in 3rd world countries with AIDS shouldn't have more and more children. It's pure logic.

I've said before there should be a quota of children allowed in a family, given in the form of baby tickets (0.75 tickets per person was the suggestion) if you want more you have to buy a baby ticket from another family (which would be a poor family who need the money). For this to work would require some kind of forced contraception and/or abortions though.

[Max Headroom]

When did you place the order / agree to the deal?

 

Sent the e-mail on Sunday just gone

[Matt H]

Sent the e-mail on Sunday just gone

 

Well it's hardly a case of sending out a small package in the post! Perhaps slightly more patience!

[Max Headroom]

Forced abortions, nothing to do with health care. Poor familes can't support another child the same as people in 3rd world countries with AIDS shouldn't have more and more children. It's pure logic.

I've said before there should be a quota of children allowed in a family, given in the form of baby tickets (0.75 tickets per person was the suggestion) if you want more you have to buy a baby ticket from another family (which would be a poor family who need the money). For this to work would require some kind of forced contraception and/or abortions though.

 

How about the families who go on benefits and have 14 kids then expect the rest of us to support them. Make benefits pay for the first 2 kids, any more and you pay for them yourselves. No need for forced abortions then

[supra_aero]

Forced abortions, nothing to do with health care. Poor familes can't support another child the same as people in 3rd world countries with AIDS shouldn't have more and more children. It's pure logic.

I've said before there should be a quota of children allowed in a family, given in the form of baby tickets (0.75 tickets per person was the suggestion) if you want more you have to buy a baby ticket from another family (which would be a poor family who need the money). For this to work would require some kind of forced contraception and/or abortions though.

 

You have not studied development economics have you? Your logic is flawed.

 

There is a reason why in the 3rd world countries as you put it, have families with so many children. It is because the life expectancy is so low, and health care is so poor, that the youth are expected to care for their elders when they become old and poorly. And when I say old, we are probably talking late 30s early 40s.

 

If they had "1" child as you put it, they'd never be able to provide for their elders, not alone themselves and they'd die even younger. An unfortunate viscious circle. Aids or not, its an unfortunate risk they feel they must take.

 

There is more to it than that, perhaps solar panels for them is the anwer.

[tbourner]

You have not studied development economics have you? Your logic is flawed.

 

There is a reason why in the 3rd world countries as you put it, have families with so many children. It is because the life expectancy is so low, and health care is so poor, that the youth are expected to care for their elders when they become old and poorly. And when I say old, we are probably talking late 30s early 40s.

 

If they had "1" child as you put it, they'd never be able to provide for their elders, not alone themselves and they'd die even younger. An unfortunate viscious circle. Aids or not, its an unfortunate risk they feel they must take.

So? My 'logic' no matter how flawed is based on the idea of improving the human race, if we wiped out all the dieing races with low life expectancies and diseases, only allowed the intelligent and strong to breed and have health care etc. The human race would improve - that is logical.

 

 

It's not moral though, and it's not the way I think things should be done personally because it's hugely xenephobic and bigotted. I'm just saying I kind of agree with the idea.

 

We got confused earlier I think, sorry I was looking at your post as if you were replying to one bit and not the other.

[martini]

So? My 'logic' no matter how flawed is based on the idea of improving the human race, if we wiped out all the dieing races with low life expectancies and diseases, only allowed the intelligent and strong to breed and have health care etc. The human race would improve - that is logical.

 

THIS IS...

 

 

[tbourner]

This is .

 

[Chris Wilson]

You have not studied development economics have you? Your logic is flawed.

 

There is a reason why in the 3rd world countries as you put it, have families with so many children. It is because the life expectancy is so low, and health care is so poor, that the youth are expected to care for their elders when they become old and poorly. And when I say old, we are probably talking late 30s early 40s.

 

If they had "1" child as you put it, they'd never be able to provide for their elders, not alone themselves and they'd die even younger. An unfortunate viscious circle. Aids or not, its an unfortunate risk they feel they must take.

 

There is more to it than that, perhaps solar panels for them is the anwer.

 

Err, if life expectancy is so low, why are many third world populations so high, and many of them elderly, to boot, then? Doesn't stack up. They just breed like flies, and blame the West for lack of aid

[martini]

Err, if life expectancy is so low, why are many third world populations so high, and many of them elderly, to boot, then? Doesn't stack up.

 

 

It doesn't stack up, because it's wrong.

 

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The population demographic is primarily made or people of young working ages, not the elderly. You're misconstrued.

 

Though their healthcare and sanitations are improving, third-world countries still have much lower life expectancies.

 

Bare in mind that contraception in Africa is not as ubiquitous as it is here. The high population of children, in addition to the continual spread of HIV is further evidence of this.

[Chris Wilson]

No, what I am saying, (badly...), is if life expectancy is so low, which I do not doubt, the reason for the huge population levels of both young and old, in some lands of very limited natural food resource, must be excessive breeding. Natural selection should be left to do its thing without unnatural interference by aid, which exacerbates the situation ad infinitum. IMHO.

[Matt H]

Natural selection should be left to do its thing without unnatural interference by aid, which exacerbates the situation ad infinitum. IMHO.

 

I doubt their is one ounce of compassion in your body. If the whole world was like you, there would be no such thing as a modern world, as everyone would be working against each other. The things you expect as British Citizen, such as your rights, wouldn't exist.

[Purity14]

No, what I am saying, (badly...), is if life expectancy is so low, which I do not doubt, the reason for the huge population levels of both young and old, in some lands of very limited natural food resource, must be excessive breeding. Natural selection should be left to do its thing without unnatural interference by aid, which exacerbates the situation ad infinitum. IMHO.

 

Natural Selection would leave MattH at the back of the queue for his daily purchase of High Sugar Energy Drinks, I fear this may be one of the fundamental reasons he does not agree.

[Gaz6002]

[Matt H]

Natural Selection would leave MattH at the back of the queue for his daily purchase of High Sugar Energy Drinks, I fear this may be one of the fundamental reasons he does not agree.

 

Hang on, doesn't your location say Merseyside

[Purity14]

Hang on, doesn't your location say Merseyside

 

Why yes, how observant

"Cheshire" eh? Sounds better than Pennington in Leigh

[Matt H]

Why yes, how observant

"Cheshire" eh? Sounds better than Pennington in Leigh

 

I've only recently moved from Knutsford, I'm still part of the Cheshire Set

 

But then again, Pennington sounds better than leigh

[supra_aero]

Sorry been away working.

 

Understood tbourner. Bit confused about who is wrong here, it's clear there is a strong correlation between life expectancy and AIDS and the developing world.

 

But I already explained the reasoning for this.

 

Yes it is excessive breeding, not sure I like the way that is worded but yes. But it's like that for a reason.

 

Pity corrupt dicators etc., are stopping these economies from moving forward. It's no fault of the domestic people though is it? Why should they be made to suffer ? It's nothing to do with survival of the fittest in this instance.

 

These people could well be fitter than you had they had the opportunities we have here.

[supra_aero]

Anyway lets get back to solar panels...

[Purity14]

I've only recently moved from Knutsford, I'm still part of the Cheshire Set

 

But then again, Pennington sounds better than leigh

 

Matt, You live in the highlighted area of the map.

This is not Cheshire, its time to move on.

[Matt H]

Matt, You live in the highlighted area of the map.

This is not Cheshire, its time to move on.

 

Thanks for pointing that out, I may not have made it home otherwise.

 

I've lived in Cheshire for 26 years, and Leigh for a couple of months, I'm still very much a Cheshire lad

[Chris Wilson]

It's a good job corrupt dictators don't let them move forward, imagine the "greenhouse effect" of Africa suddenly becoming Westernised with them all running around in cars and having industry. Global health, wealth and education equilibrium has never existed and will never exist. The human race, just like the animal kingdom is competitive, and competition involves winners and losers. Just stay with the winners and stop trying to put right the un-rightable. I don't suppose this is a good time to mention the British Empire then..... ?

[AndrewOW]

Back on topic, this is going to make me rich......................rich i tell ya!

 

 

Good for you. Group buy for club members?

[Matt H]

Global health, wealth and education equilibrium has never existed and will never exist.

 

Of course it hasn't, because the modern world is still in its infancy. I don't believe there will be never be a balance. You only have to take the western worlds and how they have progressed themselves. Equality progresses and progresses.

 

There’s one big cake that we all eat from, and one day, instead of the west taking the lions share, our portions will get smaller until there’s more of a balance. The excess won’t always continue, that’s what the problem is. It will take a long, long time, after my life time, but it will get there - as long as some other problem doesn't stop up, i.e not sorting our alternative engery source in time

[Matt H]

Good for you. Group buy for club members?

 

He better get in on it fast and make the quick buck before the bubble bursts