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[SupraDan24]

Total amount of CO2

 

http://www.southwestclimatechange.org/files/cc/figures/icecore_records.jpg

 

I always thought that say for instance, when compared to natural events like a large scale volcanic eruption, Co2 in the atmosphere due to human activities paled in comparison. Again, i was taught that this whole global warming lark being prodominately caused by human interference was rubbish, more scare tactics than anything, and that in reality, naturally occuring Co2 far outweighed anything humans could produce, either through burning fossil or by levelling forests resulting in less absorbed. Also, domesicating and breeding cows caused a significant rise in Methane levels but i'm not sure how true that is haha.

 

edit: Krakatoa for example

[Chris Wilson]

A very brief read of this suggests you are renting your roof space for nothing, and entering into a contract that ties you in to technology that may well be out of date in 5 years, yet alone 25 years. If the world was as keen on global "de" warming as the governments would have you believe they'd be reducing the population by less charitable aid to non-viable population levels in third world countries and cutting tax breaks, and hand outs for the children of those unable to support them from their own pockets. Quite why we send aid to a countries able to finance their own nuclear armaments programmes I can't fathom.

[martini]

I always thought that say for instance, when compared to natural events like a large scale volcanic eruption, Co2 in the atmosphere due to human activities paled in comparison. Again, i was taught that this whole global warming lark being prodominately caused by human interference was rubbish, more scare tactics than anything, and that in reality, naturally occuring Co2 far outweighed anything humans could produce, either through burning fossil or by levelling forests resulting in less absorbed. Also, domesicating and breeding cows caused a significant rise in Methane levels but i'm not sure how true that is haha.

 

edit: Krakatoa for example

 

That's the opinion of the majority of the public.

 

Unfortunately, scientific measurements say otherwise; look at the graph. That includes volcanic eruptions. Volcanoes produce a lot of CO2, but 100 years of manmade CO2 is much more.

 

You have no science backing up what you say, it's just your opinion. I'm just reporting the data... no opinions...

 

The actual effects of what this metric fucktonne* of CO2 are not fully understood, hence all of the research in the area. It's not happened before, so we have nothing to base predictions on, other than our best estimates and model predictions.

 

*Not an SI unit

[SupraDan24]

Sorry mate, i didnt mean to offend you or anything, and i wasn't saying you were wrong, i was just recalling what i was taught it college. It isnt my opinon, tbh i dont have an opinion on it, i'm more apathetic on the subject if i'm honest. I'm sure your right, your doing a Ph.D in it after all lol. I was actually trying to learn more about it

 

 

 

 

That's the opinion of the majority of the public.

 

Unfortunately, scientific measurements say otherwise; look at the graph. That includes volcanic eruptions. Volcanoes produce a lot of CO2, but 100 years of manmade CO2 is much more.

 

You have no science backing up what you say, it's just your opinion. I'm just reporting the data... no opinions...

 

The actual effects of what this metric fucktonne* of CO2 are not fully understood, hence all of the research in the area. It's not happened before, so we have nothing to base predictions on, other than our best estimates and model predictions.

 

*Not an SI unit

[martini]

Sorry mate, i didnt mean to offend you or anything, and i wasn't saying you were wrong, i was just recalling what i was taught it college. I'm sure your right, your doing a Ph.D in it after all lol. I was actually trying to learn more about it

 

No offence taken at all!

 

There's just a lot of misinformation out there; if the science says otherwise then that's what I'll report - I have no agenda whatsoever.

 

What you were taught in college must either have been very wrong, misremembered, or fused with some more recent tabloid media type ramblings

[Gaz6002]

I'm loving this thread. A lot of people have very conflicting thoughts on the current environmental situation. It's nice to hear from someone who knows their apples

[SupraDan24]

No offence taken at all!

 

There's just a lot of misinformation out there; if the science says otherwise then that's what I'll report - I have no agenda whatsoever.

 

What you were taught in college must either have been very wrong, misremembered, or fused with some more recent tabloid media type ramblings

 

Probably all of the above

 

It's always been something that i've been interested in, but lost touch with since leaving college which was 6yrs ago btw

 

Send me a copy of the thesis once its finished, i'd like to have a read through.

[SupraDan24]

I'm loving this thread. A lot of people have very conflicting thoughts on the current environmental situation. It's nice to hear from someone who knows their apples

 

I agree Id just like to state for the record that nothing i wrote was in anyway my opinion, it was only what i was told by my teacher at the time. Its more than likely that it was her own personal opinions.

[martini]

Probably all of the above

 

It's always been something that i've been interested in, but lost touch with since leaving college which was 6yrs ago btw

 

Send me a copy of the thesis once its finished, i'd like to have a read through.

 

Course mate

 

I'll leave a copy in my car when I sell her, some lucky git will have a nice door stop!

 

I agree Id just like to state for the record that nothing i wrote was in anyway my opinion, it was only what i was told by my teacher at the time. Its more than likely that it was her own personal opinions.

 

No worries - it may well have been.

 

It's a politically sensitive subject, and thus opinions can sometimes mask the facts.

[SupraDan24]

Course mate

 

I'll leave a copy in my car when I sell her, some lucky git will have a nice door stop!

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Lol i'm after a TT now, i gave up on the NA-TT conversion due to the sheer lack of TT lumps.

[Ian C]

Actually, waves are caused by the wind and the tides by the moon

 

Whatevaaaarrrrr

 

Are you sure all waves are caused by the wind though? What about the big ones that surfers like? Seems a bit implausible to me.

[Gaz6002]

Whatevaaaarrrrr

 

Are you sure all waves are caused by the wind though? What about the big ones that surfers like? Seems a bit implausible to me.

 

Doesn't the tide come in towards land in the form of waves?

[SupraDan24]

Whatevaaaarrrrr

 

Are you sure all waves are caused by the wind though? What about the big ones that surfers like? Seems a bit implausible to me.

 

All waves are caused by wind, except Tsnuami's which are normally caused by continental shift or large bodies of land falling into an ocean. I'm not sure what effects their size, i think its something to do with depth of the water, and gradient of the sea bed leading to where the wave breaks. Interestingly (for me at least as i'm sad) waves are actually energy, not water, moving across the ocean

[martini]

Whatevaaaarrrrr

 

Are you sure all waves are caused by the wind though? What about the big ones that surfers like? Seems a bit implausible to me.

 

Why does it seem implausible?

 

I'm 100% positive

 

The waves that surfers use are typically found hitting shores next to large expanses of ocean. This is because over many hundreds of miles, the cumulative energy of the wind passing over the surface of the ocean builds colossal waves.

 

e.g. as talked about here [Got to love wikipedia]

 

The moon does something entirely different - changes local sea level i.e. tides.

 

Doesn't the tide come in towards land in the form of waves?

 

Imagine a planet with no atmosphere - there would be no oceanic waves (excluding tsunamis as Dan said).

 

The sea level would literally rise around one's feet, without waves.

 

Worth adding:

 

Tsunami, 津波 translated from Japanese is actually harbour wave not the misnomer 'tidal wave'. The way Tsunami's "behave" like a tide is why they have been attributed this name in the west.

[Whitesupraboy2]

I thought waves were caused partly by wind, but mainly by the volume of water out to see being pushed towards shore (I guess by currents) and as the sea bed rises so does the water creating a wave that will then break when the water tension can no longer hold its shape.

[Matt H]

Quite why we send aid to a countries able to finance their own nuclear armaments programmes I can't fathom.

 

Probably because the intention is that the aid isn't going to a 'county', it goes to the people that are starving because of the current regime they live in. I think you should be thankful that in the birth lottery, your ticket gave you a spot in a developed country where your main concern doesn't have to be where your next grain comes from.

[tbourner]

No it's not, my mother's in the garden.

I mean you can't just go and do it, you still need the legal side completed with death certificates and records with solicitors etc, basically it's almost £1k before you even get near dealing with the body (according to a funeral director I used to work with).

 

If the world was as keen on global "de" warming as the governments would have you believe they'd be reducing the population by less charitable aid to non-viable population levels in third world countries and cutting tax breaks, and hand outs for the children of those unable to support them from their own pockets.

Agreed, population is the best way to fix this kind of thing. As I've said before: "Another problem that can be solved by mass genocide." Unfortunately the govts can't be seen to think in such a logical way cos it goes against those pesky human rights. Otherwise we'd have forced abortions for poor families and limited health care to people of low IQ etc.

 

Probably because the intention is that the aid is going to a 'county', it goes to the people that are starving because of the current regime they live in. I think you should be thankful that in the birth lottery, your ticket gave you a spot in a developed country where your main concern doesn't have to be where your next grain comes from.

I think I agree with Chris, although it's a very un-PC way to think, and there's no real way to implement it unless you have a totally broken moral compass and a slightly xenophobic genocidally skewed viewpoint.

[supra_aero]

Unfortunately the govts can't be seen to think in such a logical way cos it goes against those pesky human rights. Otherwise we'd have forced abortions for poor families and limited health care to people of low IQ etc.

 

 

 

That's not fair, granted I agree many low income "low IQ" families abuse the welfare system (as you put it), but you can not obviously tarnish all families with the same brush.

 

I came from a council flat single mum family, and made a fantastic life for myself as has my brother and my mother through bloody hard work. Had it been for people making sweeping statements like yourself I'd not have been given the chance.

 

And let me guess, I bet you never grew up in a council flat or poverty but only observed what you have read in media. You have no idea as to what the reasons for people are living in council flats.

 

Many are poor due to being refugees, children of war and poverty or simply really bad divorce settlments. Believe it or not many don't want to be poor and work 10 times as hard as you do to get out of it.

 

Not all of us are 3rd or more generation born and bred Brits with rich grandpa to help us out with large houses to inherit.

Lesson here is don't make sweeping statements.

[martini]

I thought waves were caused partly by wind, but mainly by the volume of water out to see being pushed towards shore (I guess by currents) and as the sea bed rises so does the water creating a wave that will then break when the water tension can no longer hold its shape.

 

Read the Wikipedia link

 

You're mixing currents with waves, but are otherwise quite close.

 

Also, I must say I didn't think eugenics would be discussed for another page or two!

[tbourner]

That's not fair, granted I agree many low income "low IQ" families abuse the welfare system (as you put it), but you can not obviously tarnish all families with the same brush.

 

I came from a council flat single mum family, and made a fantastic life for myself as has my brother and my mother through bloody hard work. Had it been for people making sweeping statements like yourself I'd not have been given the chance.

 

And let me guess, I bet you never grew up in a council flat or poverty but only observed what you have read in media. You have no idea as to what the reasons for people are living in council flats.

 

Sorry but WTF! I said low IQ not low income. My statement was based on stupid genes being propogated throughout the human race. That would apply to rich people as well if their test scores came back with an IQ lower than 100 they should have their NHS privileges removed - simple plan IMO.

 

As it happens I was raised in a reasonably wealthy family until the age of 6. Then my dad fu**ed everything up and we ended up being evicted, moved house 7 times in 6 years, then lived in housing association housing for the next 12 years. My mum still lives there and my dad lives on the 18th floor of council flats. Me and the wife have bought an ex council house in a well known dodgy neighbourhood, and our debt:earnings ratio is currently 3.9:1, so you've made a much bigger generalisation and sweep than I have!!

[Matt H]

This has gone weeeeell of topic.

 

I find it quite unreal that some people actually believe they should have more rights than others based on one means test. Quite unbelievable.

[Matt H]

This has gone weeeeell of topic.

 

I find it quite unreal that some people actually believe they should have more rights than others based on one means test. Quite unbelievable.

 

Anybody want some solar panels?

[supra_aero]

Otherwise we'd have forced abortions for poor families and limited health care to people of low IQ etc.

 

 

 

 

[Max Headroom]

I am still waiting for my solar panels

[Matt H]

I am still waiting for my solar panels

 

When did you place the order / agree to the deal?