2soops Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Hi All, was hoping for a bit of advice on my V160 When its cold, 1st, 2nd and 3rd are difficult to select, and when warm its better but not perfect. Also im wondering if someones had it apart previously, because to change gear from 1st to 2nd, and more noticably on 5th to 6th, you cant pull the stick back in a straight line, you have to come back and to the side a bit. It feels like your waiting half a second for everything to line up in the box before you can select the gear without forcing anything. As far as i know its got the correct oil in it, because i asked when the conversion from an auto was done. Apart from this theres no other problems with the box, it makes no noise at all in any gear. At the moment it frustrates me every day cos ive only got a short drive to work and am mostly using it while its still cold. Am i looking at a rebuild or synchros to sort this out Any advice appreciated, Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelboyne Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 drain the box its quite easy to do and get 1.8 liters of atf in to it, it sounds like it has manual gear oil in in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2soops Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 Are you sure, atf is automatic trans fluid and mines a 6 speed manual !!!!. I thought these things were really fussy on what type of oil goes in them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 The v160 isn't the smoothest of boxes at the best of times! The change from 1 -2 can be a bit stiff but it should be stright back. 5 - 6th is not straight back though, it's back and very slightly to the left. Changing the oil would be a good and easy 1st step to rule out wrong oil in the box or low oil level. Toyota use Esso Dextron D21065 (since Toyota badged "V160" oil is not available anymore), though some people have used ATF 220. It could also be a faulty bush on the selector mechanism, that seems to be getting much more common the last few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelboyne Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 id put my money that the wrong oil is in it yes i know its a manual but it has to have atf automatic transmission fluid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTRickeh Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 id put my money that the wrong oil is in it yes i know its a manual but it has to have atf automatic transmission fluid wtf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Interesting post from the GTR club on the v160 oil (The R34 skyline also uses the v160 Getrag box): http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/592476-post20.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2soops Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 Is that the bushes on the outside of the box near the gearstick. I will give the oil a change, but what are people using now because Toyota dont make the v160 specific stuff anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 wtf I never used to believe it until reading up on what the v160 actualy was, but it's an atf dextron II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTRickeh Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I never used to believe it until reading up on what v160 actualy was, but it's an atf Wow, didn't know that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mas Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 What Homer says sounds spot on actually, I never felt like the supra box is a smooth box tbh, but still better than EVOs I've got V160 oil in the box for few years now and its still not like what you'd think of a smooth box, but you'll get used to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelboyne Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I never used to believe it until reading up on what v160 actualy was, but it's an atf dextron II i have been saying this for couple yrs i have done a lot of research on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2soops Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 Il have to go a different way to work and take longer so it warms up more. Cheers for all your advice guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelboyne Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Il have to go a different way to work and take longer so it warms up more. Cheers for all your advice guys mate are you going to drain the box first and put the atf in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Il have to go a different way to work and take longer so it warms up more. Cheers for all your advice guys I wouldn't worry about the 5-6 change, that just takes a bit of practice 1 -2 should still slot in okay, so if you're finding it difficult it does need looking into (unless you're a wimp of course ). Gearbox issues don't tend to get any better! Change the oil for sure, it's easy and cheap to do. To answer your earlier question, the two bushes are external and connect the extended selector mechanism to the gearbox. I expect the box would need to be dropped a bit to get access (did mine while it was off the car, so was easier). If there's anything more than a few mm play on the selector mechanism it would indicate they are worn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2soops Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 I will change the for sure, my dad has a pit in his garage so should be easy enough. I just want to be sure i put the right stuff in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2soops Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 I wouldn't worry about the 5-6 change, that just takes a bit of practice to 1 -2 should still slot in okay, so if you're finding it difficult it does need looking into (unless you're a wimp of course ). Gearbox issues don't tend to get any better! Change the oil for sure, it's easy and cheap to do. To answer your earlier question, the two bushes are external and connect the extended selector mechanism to the gearbox. I expect the box would need to be dropped a bit to get access (did mine while it was off the car, so was easier). If there's anything more than a few mm play on the selector mechanism it would indicate they are worn I wasnt a wimp last time i checked, but that was a while ago. Ive worked on dozens of cars before and have a mk3 Supra i put Chevy v8 into. Ive never had anything to do with gearboxes before, they do scare me a bit. I don,t mind taking them out but taking them aparts for the pro's I'll have a look at the selector to check the play. I reckon its a similar design to the one i took out of my brothers M5 recently, he said thats a Getrag too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I'll have a look at the selector to check the play. I reckon its a similar design to the one i took out of my brothers M5 recently, he said thats a Getrag too Yep, same gearbox actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2soops Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 Does that mean you could use an M5 box in a Supra, or can you not change the bell housing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Does that mean you could use an M5 box in a Supra, or can you not change the bell housing Just had a look, seems the answer is not easily as much of the specifications are different, so not exactly the same box as I had thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2soops Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 My brothers an M5 nut and has 3, 2 of the last 50 made and one scrap one for parts. 2 are 6 speeds and ones a 5. The box i took out for hims in his garage so il have a quick look when im over there next. Your right though, probably very different internally, and just share a similar outer case. Your knowledge of cars is excellent sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Don't rule out the selector mechanism, as the rubber bushes gets old they do not keep everything lined up the way they should be. Everything has to align perfectly or it feels like you are mixing concrete with a spoon. I have tried both solid bushes and the OME ones from Mr T. No difference in IMHO so I kept the new OME. My M3 gear box is a Getrag it is much smoother on gear changes. It has a completely reversed selector pattern, which can be interesting when going from one car to the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2soops Posted August 2, 2010 Author Share Posted August 2, 2010 Thanks Terminator, il get under it in the next couple of weeks and have a look. Should there be any play at all in the selector mechanism and is there a tolerance for measuring if so. I bet the Supras more fun than the M3 though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Thanks Terminator, il get under it in the next couple of weeks and have a look. Should there be any play at all in the selector mechanism and is there a tolerance for measuring if so. I bet the Supras more fun than the M3 though As far as I know, there should be zero play in any mount point, all are solid bar the bushed ones, which should be play free. Just a fraction of a mm, will throw our the accuracy once it get multiplied by the leavers. Regarding the fun factor, you are not wrong;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2soops Posted August 2, 2010 Author Share Posted August 2, 2010 Thanks again mate, will definately have a look. Love your car by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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