C_Strike Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Hey all.. Starting to get cheesed off with my mechanics only doing one thing at a time and still messing things up.. dont think il be making another booking with them.. Anyway.. Apparently after they cleaned the caliper out, for whatever reason, the brake is locking on. Moral of the story is, im now being told that i need a caliper and carrier. toyota garage has quoted just under £200 for the components. Before i place the order, im just wanting to check if anyone has what im looking for for sale. thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwoody1 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 just wondered who said you need both the carrier and the caliper normally its just the caliper that gets the problem on the pistons the carrier pins can be easily cleaned and re-greased and will then work fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpo Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 got some j-spec ones here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C_Strike Posted July 22, 2010 Author Share Posted July 22, 2010 got some j-spec ones here Awesome, apaprently only need one.. i know sod all about mechanics unfortunately so i cant say. What is the condition of them and how much would you want for them? He said something about the pistons on the caliper, and im pretty sure he described the issue with the carrier by comparing it to a piston. I think the second issue was the locking up issue. equally you could tell me the carrier is a pigeon for all i know about this.... which is frustrating, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra steveo Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Don't know why you would need both if the slider pins are seized then put a little bit of heat on the bottom part of the carrier and work the pin out get a new pin from Toyota for £5 make sure you clean where the pin goes on the carrier and get loads of copper grease in there afterwards, that should be the job done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobD Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 The carrier usually comes with a new caliper with toyotas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra steveo Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Don't buy a new one get on the learning curve and pull it apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobD Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 A seal refurb kit is roughly 40 per axle for the j-specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C_Strike Posted July 23, 2010 Author Share Posted July 23, 2010 tried to get some notes whilst he was explaining to me what the problem was.. I dont know if this makes sense. ''Its the nearside rear, aparently the pistons wont go all the way in. its seized due to a rusty cylinder or something Carrier consists of two sliders, they move back and forth, and the top one is seized due to rust and crap. theyv cleaned it out and greased it up and apparently it rocks about.'' Apparently the piston wont go all the way back into the caliper which is holding the brakes on. think il be taking it back to my previous mech after all this, lol I cant say whether they caused the problem, id asssumed it was wear n tear of a 16yo car to be honest. It was something picked up on the MOT test just previous so am guessing its not their fault. Apparently the carrier is £115 and the rest of the £200 price is the caliper.. he says you cant buy a caliper without the carrier from toyota? He said i definately need a caliper AND carrier.. beknown to me though. Eitherway im tiring of this, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobD Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Ask them for a price for a piston and seal kit fitted mate will be cheaper than a new caliper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Don't buy a new one get on the learning curve and pull it apart Is that really a good idea when he's said he doesn't know sod all about mechanics, im all for guys learning but not unless someone can show him. Stripping and rebuilding the brakes is easy when you know how but not if you dont, plus has he got the tools to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 The carrier usually comes with a new caliper with toyotas. I take it this is only on j spec brakes as you dont get them with uk spec calipers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobD Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I take it this is only on j spec brakes as you dont get them with uk spec calipers. Obviously the uk's don't use a carrier as they are the fixed type caliper, j-specs being floating they will. Even if the garage was to rebuild his existing caliper with a new pot and seal kit it should work out less than a new caliper and fitting costs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Obviously the uk's don't use a carrier as they are the fixed type caliper, j-specs being floating they will. Even if the garage was to rebuild his existing caliper with a new pot and seal kit it should work out less than a new caliper and fitting costs! Yes i agree but you dont know how bad the carrier pins have corroded or how bad the piston bore is, to make a proper desicion on this you'd need to see the caliper and carrier and remove the piston which it sounds like they havent done as most garages just want to fit new parts. It would also make sense to check the other calipers and overhaul them at the same time as i'll bet their on their last legs as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobD Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Is that really a good idea when he's said he doesn't know sod all about mechanics, im all for guys learning but not unless someone can show him. Stripping and rebuilding the brakes is easy when you know how but not if you dont, plus has he got the tools to do it. Agreed, if you have no mechanical knowledge, the last thing you should be planning on doing is stripping apart a caliper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C_Strike Posted July 23, 2010 Author Share Posted July 23, 2010 Yes i agree but you dont know how bad the carrier pins have corroded or how bad the piston bore is, to make a proper desicion on this you'd need to see the caliper and carrier and remove the piston which it sounds like they havent done as most garages just want to fit new parts. It would also make sense to check the other calipers and overhaul them at the same time as i'll bet their on their last legs as well. Thats part of why id be a bit dubious to tell the mechanic, hes the only one thats actually seen it. iv got reasonable faith if he could have repaired he would have, but il speak to him about it anyway and see what he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Thats part of why id be a bit dubious to tell the mechanic, hes the only one thats actually seen it. iv got reasonable faith if he could have repaired he would have, but il speak to him about it anyway and see what he says. Afraid its not what most garages do mate, they take off the worn out item and replace it, they have no comeback then and its much easier to just swop parts than rebuild stuff. I've done lots of these but without seeing them i can't comment if there savable or not, most are but not all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobD Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Yes i agree but you dont know how bad the carrier pins have corroded or how bad the piston bore is, to make a proper desicion on this you'd need to see the caliper and carrier and remove the piston which it sounds like they havent done as most garages just want to fit new parts. It would also make sense to check the other calipers and overhaul them at the same time as i'll bet their on their last legs as well. Carrier pins aren't expensive, the pot's are around £20 each! If he buys a new caliper he'll probably find he'll have quite a bit of brake imbalance, same if he was to source a used caliper! The prices for parts needed: Overhaul kit £40 Pots x 2 £20 each Sliding pins x 4 £10 - £15 each So worse case scenario he's looking at £140 for parts, with labour he'll be looking at £300 ( worse case). So that's both calipers overhauled with new pots and pins etc for the same price as one brake caliper plus the fitting! Plus this way there will be no brake balance problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobD Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 If the mechanic finds the bore to be a problem, he'll be better of buying used for the price they're going for and rebuilding them! I have 2 spare rear calipers if desperately needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Heres the last uk's i did with split seals and corroded pistons and bores, like new by the time i'd finished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 If he needs calipers then i'd buy new and not buy second hand and then refurb them, a pair of new calipers is approx £400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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