Charlotte Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 I thought the reason she was 'mad' wasn't because of the time spent in limbo, but because Cobb performed an 'inception' on here, making her believe that limbo wasn't real after she started to believe limbo was real. And because 'there's nothing more potent that an idea' she also believed that when she woke up from limbo and got back to reality - and therefore killed herself. Well - she's the only example of anyone having made it back from limbo apart from Cobb himself, and he seemed fine (although he was struggling with reality too). So I'm not sure where we'd base the badness of limbo because there wasn't an example of it. We don't know if the Saito (old Saito) stuff was real so we can't believe that. I suppose it's a new wave of dream vs reality films. Avatar was another. Maybe because there is a lack of escapism on the market people have really jumped at this one. The effects are good. I like a lot of elements of it (the bit where it's raining because he forgot to go to the toilet for example). And of course it's very slick - and there's bound to be another one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Maybe because there is a lack of escapism on the market people have really jumped at this one. I think that's a very good point. The effects are good. I like a lot of elements of it (the bit where it's raining because he forgot to go to the toilet for example). And of course it's very slick - and there's bound to be another one! That's another thing that I was not sure about. I thought the world of the dream was the architects to alter, not the other peoples within it. So why would it be raining because of the chemist? Perhaps they all have a certain degree of subconscious control, but how did they all know it was the chemists fault? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Well - she's the only example of anyone having made it back from limbo apart from Cobb himself I thought they explained the effect of doing a lot of 'extraction' / 'inception' resulted in you slowly loosing a grip on reality, which is why Cobb was struggling - because he had done it to many times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 I thought they explained the effect of doing a lot of 'extraction' / 'inception' resulted in you slowly loosing a grip on reality, which is why Cobb was struggling - because he had done it to many times. Yeah true, I was just saying he was another example of making it back from limbo, back up your argument that it can't be that bad. Did we even find out who they were working for ('the company')? Maybe they were all wired up like the matrix and none of it was real... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 That's another thing that I was not sure about. I thought the world of the dream was the architects to alter, not the other peoples within it. So why would it be raining because of the chemist? Perhaps they all have a certain degree of subconscious control, but how did they all know it was the chemists fault? My understanding was that they just shaped the frame - much as an architect would do in real life. The chemist immediately said he'd needed the toilet on entry so I guess they could make it his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Yeah true, I was just saying he was another example of making it back from limbo, back up your argument that it can't be that bad. Did we even find out who they were working for ('the company')? Maybe they were all wired up like the matrix and none of it was real... Weren't they working for Saito? He didn't want the son to take over his father's company as it would mean his only company would struggle. It was quite vague, and the reason ended up being to get Cobb back into America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 My understanding was that they just shaped the frame - much as an architect would do in real life. The chemist immediately said he'd needed the toilet on entry so I guess they could make it his fault. Ah right, I must have missed the bit when he said he needed the toilet. I'll take that one off my list of gripes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Weren't they working for Saito? He didn't want the son to take over his father's company as it would mean his only company would struggle. It was quite vague, and the reason ended up being to get Cobb back into America. They were working for him but only because he was 'rescuing them' from the bigger company that wanted them all dead - the ones chasing him in India? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 They were working for him but only because he was 'rescuing them' from the bigger company that wanted them all dead - the ones chasing him in India? I understood it that the other company (naught boys) employed them to do a job which they failed and they were on the run, the Saito guy just took it as an opportunity to offer them another job to do which would save their bacon. You're right though, they never explained this other company, but it was just the sideline story to kick start the main plot I think. The main reason that Cobb took the job was because Saito said he could clear his name in America so he could go back and live a normal life with his kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Right, I'm logging off now. We'll have to continue this discussion over coffee, Charlotte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceRocket Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 I've seen much better films this year than Inception - quite a few infact. Such as....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Right, I'm logging off now. We'll have to continue this discussion over coffee, Charlotte It would be ace if there were more people talking over coffee about films. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martini Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 And the big deal that was made about limbo being the worst thing ever and your brain would turn to mush, but Leo then pulls out Saito after like 50 years and he has no problems. 50 years of real life there though? It's only a dream... What I'm saying is that only a few hours passed in the real world, on the aeroplane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Such as....? I'll throw one out their that I'd probably have to search long and hard to find someone that would agree ........ Brooklyn's finest. It would be ace if there were more people talking over coffee about films. Simple pleasures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martini Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Spoiler P.S. It was real life at the end of the film, not a dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Went to see this last night. We enjoyed it. Even more as they gave us a full refund for a seating mix up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Went to see this last night. We enjoyed it. Even more as they gave us a full refund for a seating mix up. I bet it all seemed like a dream, didn't it? Or was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Spoiler P.S. It was real life at the end of the film, not a dream. Are you sure? Did the top actually stop spinning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Are you sure? Did the top actually stop spinning? This is another area that had holes in it and why I originally said I liked the ending but it wasn't necessary. He had that 'totem' to indicate that he was in the real world i.e. it would stop spinning and he knew he wasn't still asleep (stupid really, because why would it continue to spin in dream land? The other totems like the loaded die were good, because only the owner knew the weight differential so it couldn't be replicated, but there's no reason why the top would just keep spinning? anyway...) Basically, to imagine that the top wouldn't stop spinning would make a mockery of the film (again) for the following reason: The top did stop spinning when he was (or thought he was) in 'the real world'. If the top hadn't had stop spinning in the house (end of the film), then he could have still been dreaming, which would mean he could have always been dreaming, but then why would the top stop spinning at other points in the film........... So basically the totem would have no relevance on whether he was dreaming or not, so the film would just contradict its own dramatic end. To answer the second question however, the top was never actually shown to stop spinning, it did look to slow down somewhat however, which to me would suggest it was about to fall over. I quess (trying to apply a bit of logic to a film with little) if he wasn't in the real world then you wouldn't have seen the top get so close to dropping in the final scene; it would have been more consistent with the other times it was shown in perpetual motion, which was smooth and unfaltering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 This is another area that had holes in it, and why I originally said I liked the ending but it wasn't neccessary. He had that 'totum' to indicate that he was in the real world i.e it would stop spinning and he knew he wasn't still asleep (stupid really, because why would it continue to spin in dream land? The other totums like the loaded die were good, because only the owner know the weight differential, but there's no reason why the top would just keep spinning? anyway...) Basically, to imagine that the top wouldn't stop spinning would make a mockery of the film (again): As the top did stop spinnig when he was in 'the real world', if the top hadn't had stop spinning in the house, then he could have been dreaming still, which would mean he was always dreaming, but then why would the top stop spinning at other points in the film........... To answer the second question however, the top was never actually shown to stop spinning, it did look to slow down somewhat however, which to me would suggest it was about to fall over. I quess (try to apply a big of logic to a film with little) if he wasn't in the real world then you wouldn't have seent the top get so close to dropping in the final scene, it would have been more consistent with the other times it was shown in perpetual motion, which was smooth and unfaltering The spinning top thing in the dream is actually based on actual analysis on dreams. In fact, when im just about to sleep, sometimes I always have an object constantly moving and i try and make it stop but cant. I have to essentially open my eyes to stop it spinning. Doesnt anyone else get this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 The spinning top thing in the dream is actually based on actual analysis on dreams. In fact, when im just about to sleep, sometimes I always have an object constantly moving and i try and make it stop but cant. I have to essentially open my eyes to stop it spinning. Doesnt anyone else get this? Just cut down on the drugs And no, never had that, I do get the whole 'struggle to move thing though', like not being able to run. But that does kinda work a bit better for why his totem would be applicable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 I do get the whole 'struggle to move thing though', like not being able to run. Especially across railway lines, but I am able to fly. Weird! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martini Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Are you sure? Did the top actually stop spinning? Watch the film again He has a wedding ring on in all dreams, and in real life scenes, he does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Especially across railway lines, but I am able to fly. Weird! I've had it where I have been able to fly but then lost the ability, that's an annoying one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Just cut down on the drugs And no, never had that, I do get the whole 'struggle to move thing though', like not being able to run. Yeah in my dreams I'm sometimes driving and the brake won't work and I can't stop my car. But yeah, the spinning top thing made a lot of sense to me personally. It literally happens when I'm almost in a lucid dream. It can give me a headache trying to make it stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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