tbourner Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 I think most 'gas guzzling' owners prefer this idea to the £900 a year tax idea, especially those that have a second car they can use. Maybe they planned it to put the £900 tax on show, get us all riled up and then bring this one to the front of discussion so we'll say "Oh that's a better idea!". TBH I like the idea because I don't drive very much. Will they have higher prices 'per mile' for 'gas guzzlers' than economical cars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 The idea of 'pricing out' people from the roads is a logical one (doesn't sound very democratic, but that's how it is) Western civilisation routinely uses money as the means of allocating scarce resources. In this case road use during peak times at specific motorways (or whatever) is a scarce resource (far more people willing to use them than there are spaces) So money will be the natural way to allocate usage. Of course all details that they have published are dodgy and sketchy, who's to stop cars with foreign plates flooding the UK? Motorbikes? Rural roads? Abuse of the tracking network? Looks to me like another moronic variation of the 'spy in the sky' plans labour politicians had a few years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprarob Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 so why does the government want to track our every movement? cameras everywhere so they can see when you go out for a walk satalite tracking for car use ????? but then again if we arn,t doing anything wrong we should have nothing to worry about should we???? .......1984...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Why not just build double decker motorways where needed, sure it'll cost but you wont be paving over new land. They do it in Japan and in the US ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Well lets all warmly shake the labour voters by the throat... It'll never work on a technical level and it will never work on a fairness level. The tax on fuel is fine...but they should look at giving rural drivers a tax break - ie we need a (non GPS) way of saying hey I HAVE to drive to work cause I live here...etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Why not just build double decker motorways where needed, sure it'll cost but you wont be paving over new land. They do it in Japan and in the US ok. eeeermmm... that would cost money though. Their aim is to *make* money, pretending that they care about the environment, quality of life, children's safety etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD3000GT Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 f**k that.. No seriously F**k that.. I will start a civil war! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 eeeermmm... that would cost money though. Their aim is to *make* money, pretending that they care about the environment, quality of life, children's safety etc... No shit sherlock, I dont think people are put off with investing in the transport system, its just the environmental costs of paving over the green that people object to, so why not pave over the concrete with another motorway Screw quality of life, who lives around the M25 anyway They'd just have to grow bigger trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 They'll only be fitted to new cars and I'm sure they'll be hackable. Without giving too much away, yes I know what these units are as my company is currently building the units for a bid, and no they won't be easily hackable. The unit pretty much consists of a GPS unit, with a GSM modem built in, and a standard short range radio.. Basically, when you drive it uploads the GPS co-ords every now and then. Also there will be enforcement points on the road, which will attempt to attach to the unit as you go past to check the unit. If you fail the compliance test, a road vehicle will be notified and you will get flagged down.... Pretty damn tight.... however watch this space..... Gav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD3000GT Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Without giving too much away, yes I know what these units are as my company is currently building the units for a bid, and no they won't be easily hackable. The unit pretty much consists of a GPS unit, with a GSM modem built in, and a standard short range radio.. Basically, when you drive it uploads the GPS co-ords every now and then. Also there will be enforcement points on the road, which will attempt to attach to the unit as you go past to check the unit. If you fail the compliance test, a road vehicle will be notified and you will get flagged down.... Pretty damn tight.... however watch this space..... Gav Gav are you going to be around to pickup this Blitz SUS intake anytime soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 ...If you fail the compliance test, a road vehicle will be notified and you will get flagged down.... Pretty damn tight.... .. I can already think of a few ways to cheat this system, lol Most probably others will think of even more ways to bypass this big-bro malarky. I wouldn't lose sleep over it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 LOL surely you could just rip the fecker out? The roadside detector gizmo doesn't know if your a car or a push bike, or a gust of wind caused by a cow farting. The other good side to this is not only will you not have to pay fuel and road duty in the traditional sense, but also the security check that is made to insure you have insurance and an MOT when you get tax is totally by-passed, so now you don't need to bother with them either. Also will a motorbike that takes up less space and effectively causes less congestion pay the same amount as say a hgv? And what will happen if you travel on private land? Is it actually possible to build a system that will monitor every car in the country 24/7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 hehehehe.... Don't worry... I'm also keeping my eyes and ears open in case someone lets something slip as well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Without giving too much away, yes I know what these units are as my company is currently building the units for a bid, and no they won't be easily hackable. The unit pretty much consists of a GPS unit, with a GSM modem built in, and a standard short range radio.. Basically, when you drive it uploads the GPS co-ords every now and then. Also there will be enforcement points on the road, which will attempt to attach to the unit as you go past to check the unit. If you fail the compliance test, a road vehicle will be notified and you will get flagged down.... Pretty damn tight.... however watch this space..... Gav Dodgy dry solder joints though. They cause the unit to stop working all the time. Especially when caused by a big hammer. Or that pesky chafed wire that powers it, cuh, what a design flaw. Or that nice load of tinfoil you put around it for, I don't know, sound deadening purposes or heat shielding or something. Or the fact that criminals aren't monitored as much as drivers, so we shouldn't have this privacy invading crap in our cars anyway HMMM? Hands up who voted labour? You are 100% in support of this scheme Funny it wasn't mentioned in the pack of lies, er, I mean manifesto. And as for "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear", can I point out that line worked really well for Adolph Hitler? -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Just worked out lol if they install 5000 units per day to 28million cars it will take 15 years to fit em. nutters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 6, 2005 Author Share Posted June 6, 2005 I have to hold my hand up and apologise for voting Labour. I had no idea they'd do this when I voted. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 They will never manage to track all the vehicles. They will never make the transition period sighted (10 years) fair. They will never remove fuel tax They will never completely do away with a paid for Road Fund License They will never win another election - well they'd better not! They will pass the contract to a crap IT company that has bid the least and promised the most. And they will be stunned when it actually turns out to cost you an I 10x more than predicted. Channel Tunnel anyone? Millennium Dome... ID cards... etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 this was front page in the Telegraph today and it mentioned that there's been £40bil gone to the treasury in taxes etc - what the hell is it all spent on?! im with Chris Webley on this one - civil war!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 I never expected one of my predictions to start panning out this early... "GPS tracking and monitoring of all road vehicles - paid for by your taxes and then by you to get the box fitted and then fined when it breaks/gets damaged/is stolen" -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprarob Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 has anyone read 1984 by George Orwell silicon chip implants in your head next then they will have total control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 This guy makes some good points: http://www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=48&i=10869 There is simply no way anyone is fitting a black box to my car. Not ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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