carl0s Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 how can people try to understand galaxies and the universe when it just obviously doesn't comply with our laws of reason and physics (it doesn't have a size). how uuurgh headfuck. even if our universe is really just contained within a much larger thing, well where does that thing end? where it all ends, well, what's outside of that? Presumably it just doesn't ever end, right? (?), so... we could never understand it then, surely. It just has to be a mind game - the whole physics and laws and understanding and being thing must all just be a consciousness. thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Thoughts? I think you've got some goooood shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 i may be in a minefield here as im quite tired, and only grasping a little of what you are saying to be honest, though it sounds daft but its something i think of lots, being a scientific type of chap! i agree with your consciousness part though, all of life is only about consciousness as it cant be verified any other way, but also about perception to an extent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted June 1, 2005 Author Share Posted June 1, 2005 i agree with your consciousness part though, all of life is only about consciousness as it cant be verified any other way, but also about perception to an extent it's strange but it would make sense. We're all given our go at the game, and how we interact and the things that we do is being watched or judged by something, but it might as well all be in our heads because none of it's real in the sense that we think it is. How else could existence be explained? You're all a part of my existence and nothing more. wierd. part of my my virtual reality. I was just watching the news about this new simulated-universe they have created in a super computer, hence the thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 its all in a locker end of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 its all in a locker end of ooh, what film is that from?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted June 1, 2005 Author Share Posted June 1, 2005 ooh, what film is that from?! i was just thinking that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Men In Black II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 If you want to look into it deeper have a read of in search of schrodingers cat and schrodingers kittens by John Gribbin. The second book has lots of different possible theories currently being persued by theoretical physicists. Very interesting stuff. I like the theories about how decisions are either made or predestined. Does the universe split into two when a decision has to made? Why does the observation of atomic reactions effect the outcome? Does particle wave duality really exist? If it's possible to simulate the smallest atomic reactions, would it be possible to simulate an entire universe given big enough resources. Would it be possible to fast forward and rewind that simulation to predict the future and look into the past? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted June 1, 2005 Author Share Posted June 1, 2005 If you want to look into it deeper have a read of in search of schrodingers cat and schrodingers kittens by John Gribbin. The second has lots of different possible theories currently being persued by theoretical physicists. Very interesting stuff. is it all about quantum physics and what not or is there some non-physical stuff in there too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 This reminds me of some of the academic essays written about The Matrix. I'm sure they are still available to be read on the website. It really does your head in. Carlos, you may be a brain in a jar and we could all be software and your everday existence could all be a simulation and you will never know the truth of it. Damn that film. I ended up wading through loads of theoretical science stuff and spent ages getting a copy of Baudrillards "Simulcra and Simulations". heavy going and got some odd looks on the bus and train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
far Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 LMAO @Geordie - I was thinking the same when reading your post Carlos - but its a good question and one which I have thought about many many times. I read somewhere years ago (not sure where as I cant remember the author or source) but it went something like (this is not a quote but a rough recollection!) 'if all the stars and planets AS WE KNOW THEM are to represent a grain of sand we would have enough grains of sand to fill all the beaches on earth' - that alone makes my mind boggle as to how vast things are out there and how we are such a small spec of something H U G E and question if the complexity of our knowledge is actually complex at all. I know its sci-fi but the CGI clips at the end of MIB1 & MIB2 (men in black) kind of demonstrate what I am talking about in terms of earth VS the grand scheme of things Another question I would ask is if things are so unbelievably massive out there then statistically it is safe to say there must be life on other planets, and if there isn’t then we are pretty bloody unique and should appreciate every minute of our lives and everyone around us who we know, don’t know and may never know. 'Smokey: Puff puff, give. Puff puff, give. You're fuckin' up the rotation' (Friday 1995) - pass it on Carlos :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 The first book starts off fairly simply explaining the universe in easy to understand layman's terms, but has quite a steep learning curve. The second book is much more graduated, but towards the end goes quite indepth into the whole theoretical physics and philosophies of creation and existance. It also covers most of the stuff in the first book. Excellent bed time reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Heres another thing. Why are books on theoretical science so much heavier than books of a similar size about other things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted June 1, 2005 Author Share Posted June 1, 2005 Heres another thing. Why are books on theoretical science so much heavier than books of a similar size about other things? LOL yeah, sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted June 1, 2005 Author Share Posted June 1, 2005 The first book starts off fairly simply explaining the universe in easy to understand layman's terms, but has quite a steep learning curve. The second book is much more graduated, but towards the end goes quite indepth into the whole theoretical physics and philosophies of creation and existance. It also covers most of the stuff in the first book. Excellent bed time reading. The reviews on amazon.co.uk are very positive, so I'm just going to the car for my credit card now as it's only £13.58 for both books. Thanks for the recommendation dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 You keep your credit card in the car? That is just asking for trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 After pondering the size and mystery of the universe too many times in the past. I subscribe to the black hole theory, they will eventually consume everything, just like the one in my wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Hmmmm, but isn't the size of the black hole in your wallet, proportional to the mods on your supra? So if the entire universe was to be consumed surely you would be able to crack into the 9's? OR even more interestingly, would a supra that could do a sub 6 second run cause the end of all existance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hy-Performance Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Everything which has a beginning has an end..... Time is an illusion..... Nothing is everthing... Millions of headfker quotes out there that we humans can not comprehend. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 There was a program about this sort of stuff a while ago - some physicists and other guys tried to disprove the existence of a 'creator', and everytime they got anywhere they came back to the fact that there HAS TO BE a creator at the beginning!!! That's ruined my aetheism!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hy-Performance Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 A creater or a single starting point........but if there was this starting point, what was beyond that starting point......its the never ending circle of questions that i never think will be answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraLuigi Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Just ordered Baudrillards "Simulcra and Simulation" (thanks for the tip RedM) and a copy of some Bruce dickinson albums I'd been meaning to get for a while. Why does amazon make it so easy to buy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 IMHO we are all living on a speck of dust on Paul E's Supra T shirt 50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesgtr Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 I don't think we can begin to understand the universe by applying Newtonian physics. We have to understand Einstein's theories on general and special relativity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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