a98pmalcolm Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 its a sad story, its said that he was a real nice guy... sumthing must have clicked in his head! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Glad your okay Tom, that must be bad knowing it happened on your street. Had to drive down Duke Street this morning. Never seen so many TV cameras and people milling about. Looked like there were some reporters being filmed, so the Supe might be on telly. If it is, then I should possibly apologise for having Megadeth "Wake Up Dead" blasting out the stereo. Curse that random play function Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supradoopa Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Spotted your rear end on the old box this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Its times like these when UK gun laws prevent people from protecting themselves against loons like this. If only it was legal to carry a concealed handgun for personal defence, this may not have happened Legalise concealed weapons???? You haven't really thought this through have you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 I just loathe the way the media over dramatise things these days. Some poor sap was being cajoled to say over dramatic things as a witness this morning. For example, the reporter asked, "So your teenage kids heard the shot? Were they traumatised, are they having counselling?". The sap replies ""No the eldest didn't get to sleep until 3.00 AM last night, but generally they are dealing with it fine". Reporter, "So they aren't traumatised, maybe it's delayed shock?". Sap, "No, they are fine". Reporter shuffles off for a more juicy response. What the sap really meant, and should have said was that his kids were up texting all night and it was the most exciting thing that had happened to them, or was ever likely to happen to them in this Godforsaken hole. They'll be swapping stories and mobile phone pics for weeks, traumatised indeed If I see another *~$ing "weapons expert" or "psychoanalyst" expounding on this on the TV today I'll scream. The guy was just having a bad day, I know just how he felt, he just went one step beyond normally accepted behaviour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attero Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 My brother recently went to the US in Pittsburgh for work. Heading to the local bars every night, he spoke to a lot of americans. All of them happily showing off their weapons hidden on their ankle holsters and such. Yeah, he felt safe... What the sap really meant, and should have said was that his kids were up texting all night and it was the most exciting thing that had happened to them, or was ever likely to happen to them in this Godforsaken hole. They'll be swapping stories and mobile phone pics for weeks, traumatised indeed So true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martini Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Well there would be more shootings sure but this guy could have killed a lot more people, the police certainly couldnt do anything with their sticks that they carry. everybody is just completely vulnerable against a gun in the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 http://newsarse.com/2010/06/03/a-gunless-ninja-would-easily-have-killed-as-many-insists-gun-lobby/ “I think the obvious first ‘red flag’ when looking to assess the people who want to buy a gun, should be the fact that they actually want to buy a gun.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Well there would be more shootings sure but this guy could have killed a lot more people, the police certainly couldnt do anything with their sticks that they carry. everybody is just completely vulnerable against a gun in the UK Oh well that's ok then. We can trade a lot more shootings per week for the chance to "take down" a bad guy once every 10 -15years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 A couple of things to remember folks. Firstly, people are dead so jokes are hardly appropriate. Second, guns don't kill people. Rappers do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomgeer Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Glad your okay Tom, that must be bad knowing it happened on your street. Had to drive down Duke Street this morning. Never seen so many TV cameras and people milling about. Looked like there were some reporters being filmed, so the Supe might be on telly. If it is, then I should possibly apologise for having Megadeth "Wake Up Dead" blasting out the stereo. Curse that random play function Cheers animal, It is wasn't on my street, I live just off drigg road where it happened, but I had to walk throught the crime scene to get to my street after work. Typically I took the supra to work that day, I had to leave it parked up on the roadside as they weren't allowing cars through. 12.30 in the morning I was finally allowed to retrieve it, I wasn't leaving it parked there overnight. I got interviewed by BBC radio this morning at the beach car park when I went to buy my paper, I don't think they used my material though, I'd just woken up and was a bit dopey. Bloody hell! Did you hear any gun fire? No mate I was at work at the time, you'd never know anything happened driving through the village this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathew Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 so much for a hot summer this year, i heard its minus 12 in cumbria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomgeer Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 so much for a hot summer this year, i heard its minus 12 in cumbria. Dick head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathew Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Dick head typical, the first person to read my 'joke' comes from cumbria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Dick head Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 typical, the first person to read my 'joke' comes from cumbria Idiot, where you come from has nothing to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathew Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Idiot, where you come from has nothing to do with it. ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 If he hadn't used a gun he'd have used a knife, an axe, a rolling pin or what ever else he could have got his hands on. It happened here in Tokyo two years ago. Some guy decided he'd had enough, got a truck and drove straight into a crowd of people in Akihabara (a very very busy park of Tokyo where all the electronic stores and some other very weird stuff is). He killed two people doing that. Then he jumped out and managed to stab another 12 before being pinned down and arrested. Sh*t happens. Further tightening already draconian gun laws isn't going to change anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 The guy was just having a bad day, I know just how he felt, he just went one step beyond normally accepted behaviour With something like this, it's the random nature of it all that is so scary. When you hear of tragedies where it's a wronged husband killing his wife and her lover, or honour and revenge killings, it's horrible, but at least it's easy to rationalise. The experts have been really reiterating the fact that these things are very rare here, so it's not like it's a huge societal problem that causes someone to do something like this, and it's certainly not the problem they have in America and (I didn't know this) Finland where gun controls aren't so tight. The other thing that I found interesting was the way people were talking about what a close-knit community it is. The same is true of Hungerford and Dunblane. The criminologists were saying that this may be part of the reason for the murderers flipping in such an extreme way. When you are an outsider in such a tight-knit community, you feel it more extremely. Or, if you feel you have been humiliated, you feel like everyone knows about it and will be mocking you, so you feel you need to take revenge on all of them. Like you say Chris, just someone having a bad day that took things too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 I usually like to watch the one `o' clock news but can't bear to see what "expert" they have dredged up this afternoon. There was even a discussion on one of the morning chat shows asking if the coverage was disproportional and bordering on the melodramatic. I thought that possibly unique for a current situation. I say it's totally disproportional, exceedingly melodramatic and an insult to families who lost relatives and a huge chunk of their lives through two REAL periods of drama, the first and second world wars, and those that are coming to terms with more everyday life ending or changing issues. The NHS (we tax payers....) are now funding free counselling for a whole damned county, what happened to British resolve, a stiff upper lip, and family and neighbourly assistance? I am truly sorry for the innocents that were killed and their families, but a sense of proportion, please!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 On BBC North last night, Carol Malia was standing in the street outside some very european looking pavement cafe/bar, saying how local people were struggling to come to terms with events, while in the background everyone was supping cool beers in the evening sun. Yeah, look at them there, struggling to come to terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porky1978 Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Personally i believe that he would have still flipped wether he had knives, baseball bat, etc as opposed to guns. Having been a long time user of guns of all types, i can say hand on heart that guns DO NOT KILL PEOPLE. Yes, in the wrong hands they are absolutely lethal but the real problem lies in how these people get hold of guns in the first place. Maybe this is for another thread but i am a firm believer in being allowed by law to protect yourself in your own home, by any means necessary, including guns. Would you burgle, or attempt to rob someone knowing that they 'might' have a weapon to protect themselves. I know i wouldn't. My heart truly goes out to those affected by these events and i hope that there is no knee-jerk reaction by anyone seeking to use these events as a tool to get guns banned etc. Alex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 It's not guns that need banning, that's obvious enough - it's the mentalists you have to sort out, unfortunately that switch is present in everyone and by the time it's noticed things have usually gone too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porky1978 Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Dare i say it..........National Service for all school leavers for one year? I would certainly approve. And yes, i have kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martini Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Dare i say it..........National Service for all school leavers for one year? I would certainly approve. And yes, i have kids. How is that linked to this thread? Also, unlike a few other countries that have National Service, our Army gets into some pretty grim places. Not somewhere I think all school leavers should go, but then unlike the thinking of the previous Government, University isn't the answer either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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