Work: Start Time - your understanding of it

[Guest supra-bruce]

Where I work the Rota'ed hours are a "guideline", I'm normally in early and stay till after my finish time. But by going in earlier I can get more done which means I make the rest of the day easier on myself. Like not trying to do prep during service, it doesn't work very well.

 

Dont get a lunch break either, so count yourselfs lucky!

[Purity14]

I sell and install time and attendance systems throughout the UK every day.

 

The 1 minute late deduct 15 minutes is the most common rule.

 

The software on its own(before you select a clocking terminal) that we use is about £300 for an end user, its not cheapy rubbish, it will do near enough any shift calculation.

 

The worst offenders are Tesco Direct, they have a 96 week rotation!

And Bibby Distribution, the first 10 minutes of the shift are overtime and time and a half, deductions if they are late, overtime between core hours depentant on staff levels and various leaving options at the end of the day triggered by time frames.

 

 

The way I see it, if for example you are due in at 9am, and work until 10am = you are earning 1 hour of pay.

If you are late by one minute, you only get 45 minutes of pay, you wont be late again, there is a start time for a reason, working till 10:01 doesnt make it okay.

[Purity14]

Only so if the supervisor isn't reporting the bad time keeping up the chain. If they are and still the management leave the offenders in employment then what exactly can a superviser do? Its institutional in alot of cases.

 

In that case they company is wasting money, this makes baby jesus cry. (and the shareholders)

 

You could do that for sure but the first time you do it will be the last time the employee works the 14 minutes he isn't being paid for. Not just that but most of the day you tell him his productivity will be dog poo..

 

No, it is the last time the employee will be late, if he stands around not working for 14 minutes, thats just bad management.

 

 

RE the earlier comment of 1 minute and 15 minutes pay. If the clocking machine was any cop it would be able to deal with 1 minute increments so your 15 minute thing wouldn't be an issue anyways as your employee could make up the minute at the end of shift..

 

It can do anything you want, i find 75% of companies work on the 15 minute quarterly rule. There is a varience on this rule, some people want it worked out differently:

09:01 - 10:01 = .75

09:01 - 10:01 = 1

I love the rigidity of these things though. You stay an hour late you don't get paid for and nothing is even mentioned. You come in a minute late and you are flagged up on report lol. Investors in people is a tad lost on some firms

 

Some systems that we set up employees can come in at any time but wont accrue time until there shift start time. Unless they stay afterwards for over an hour they wont acrrue that time either.

Bad idea to stay late by 59 minutes, good idea to stay for an extra minute.

 

For some people thats an extra 6 quid for the day, alternatively its 6 quid per day per employee saved, that is why companies want clocking-in-machines

[Guest supra-bruce]

Do you work on commission by any chance?

[Purity14]

Put simply, if there is no business critical reason as to why you should be in on the dot at 9am, so long as you are not blatantly taking the mick daily I don't see why it matters if you come in at 9:06.

 

If I pay someone to do something, I expect them to do something, not half arsed do something.

 

 

On that note, if I have a super productive employee who gets everything done by 3pm, I see no reason why I shouldn't reward him and let him leave early at 4pm. Why make him twiddle his thumbs. Rewarding him for hard work gives the other workers incentives to be more productive.

 

Time to lean, time to clean, or at least find something else to do.

 

What matters most is getting the work done.

Wrong.

Consider this:

If I have an employee called John.

I pay him by the hour.

He works 9:00 till 17:00

He needs to create 50 dining tables out of wood by friday.

He comes in work on monday and makes 1 chair.

Tuesday, 1 chair.

Wednesday 1 chair.

Thursday 1 chair.

Friday, 46 chairs.

 

I have paid him three days too much pay.

 

 

 

 

If you come in at 9:10 instead of 9:00 each day and work till 5pm, I know that you can do whatever job you are doing 7 hours 50 minutes, not 8 hours, so i would alter your pay accordingly.

 

Say you work a 6 day week and you are late every day (since its okay), for a year that will equate to 2880 minutes, 48 hours = £6 an hour = £288

 

If you have 50 employees, thats £14400 a year.

[Guest supra-bruce]

Either that or you could of set him a one day deadline.

 

Any good employer knows what his employees are capable of.

[Purity14]

Do you work on commission by any chance?

 

Self Employed

[Guest supra-bruce]

Self Employed

 

It all makes sense now

[Purity14]

Either that or you could of set him a one day deadline.

 

Employees avoid deadlines to create overtime.

 

We do job costing and when you see the target about to be met, productivity slows amongst the employees so that they can have an opportunity for overtime at the end of the week/month/job.

[Guest supra-bruce]

Employees avoid deadlines to create overtime.

 

We do job costing and when you see the target about to be met, productivity slows amongst the employees so that they can have an opportunity for overtime at the end of the week/month/job.

 

But if the employer wants to cut costs, and using your one week example of not enough chairs being made, productivity costs the company, to coin a phrase, time is money. So not setting a deadline costs money, on both productivity and on overtime expenses. And apparently having a deadline costs on productivity aswell.

 

Surely its better to lose one than two sets of costs?

[Purity14]

Its better to not let the employees know about the deadline, and just inform them of a productivity rate.

 

"you must make at least x chairs in a day" or something - some companies work on a piece rate and every item created and scanned in after the piece rate target has been achieved can be a bonus of a couple of pence on the shift.

[Guest supra-bruce]

Haha fair enough then. I just get told to pull my finger out my arse. Should of gone to uni...

[Purity14]

Then sir, you are in the porn industry, try getting a more wholesome job

[Guest supra-bruce]

Haha! Surely if I was in the porn industry, they'd be telling me to put my finger in my arse

[Purity14]

A 'smart arse' wouldnt allow foreign objects within it

 

Anyway, I have some work to do

[dangerous brain]

The whole blinkered pay by the hour clock by the hour viewpoint is just that-very blinkered. The employee that would shirk away 10 minutes early daily will just sit and dits the 10 minutes away instead. A shirker is a shirker simple as. An observant manager backed up by a hard line disciplinary policy is more effective than any clocking machine ever will be. I'll put it this way airbus were paying guys in tolouse for 3 months after they'd moved onto another contract because the clocking machine said they were still working there!

[GazzaGSi]

I voted for: I get in when I get in, I do what I do, I go home.

 

On flexi time so start/finish times vary. As long as it totals 38 hours per week and I cover 9/10 sessions. (2 sessions per day - am & pm) So you could work an extra hour or so mon-thurs, start at 7am on the fri and finish for around 11.

 

I am also one of the people that as soon as I sit in the office, thats the time i've started. I then boot my PC, go make a coffee etc.

Its abit of a give and take agreement. If something crops up just before you were about to leave, ideally you stay to sort it unless you have a commitment outside of work, or if a meeting overuns etc.