RedM Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Is it too early to break out the 'Jump To Conclusions' mat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemmjonny Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 How does a 8 year old girl know about rape? thats just f**ked up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamAhead Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 The way this thread has gone reminds me of Statler & Waldorf: Sorry I'll leave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezzler Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 I dont think the little girl does know about rape; it says that the mother of the girl found them in a field, and it appeared that something wasnt right I'm guessing that the mother's immediate thought was that the two boys had raped her. They probably then went home, where the mother tried to get imformation out of her asking her if she had been raped, and that if she had then she should say because what the boys did was wrong etc, etc My first thought was to string them up, my second thought was that the girl was lying; i'm now thinking that the mother, as any parent would, was trying to get information out of the girl in order to call the police. In doing this I think she probably put ideas into her head, and words into her mouth. I dont think an 8 year old girl is capable of lying about rape, let alone knowing about it! Either way, if I had've found the oiks with my daughter and I suspected that they had assulted her, I would have buried them in that field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Just shows why innocent until proven guilty is the right way. Wonder if there will be apology on front page by all newspapers who jumped on them....doubt it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Either way, if I had've found the oiks with my daughter and I suspected that they had assulted her, I would have buried them in that field If you found some kids playing with your daughter and you suspected they had assaulted her, then you'd kill them. You don't realise that maybe that sort of over-protective attitude is the same as the earlier suggestion of the mother putting words into her daughter's mouth to get the two kids accused of rape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra Gaz Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Makes me sick. They are animals. We should treat them as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJD Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 If you found some kids playing with your daughter and you suspected they had assaulted her, then you'd kill them. You don't realise that maybe that sort of over-protective attitude is the same as the earlier suggestion of the mother putting words into her daughter's mouth to get the two kids accused of rape? Indeed. It's an awful lot easier to make what will turn out with hindsight to be the right decision if you first take the time to acquaint yourself with the facts. It never ceases to amaze me how many people seem to misunderstand the purpose of the courts. I'm not a legal expert, but it seems pretty obvious to me that the only reason we bother to have courts and trials and all that cost and process is to try and avoid convicting people of things they didn't do. Unless you care about protecting the innocent, why wouldn't you just grab whoever you first thought might have done it and declare them guilty? There's lots of debate over whether courts generally are setting appropriate punishments these days, and much suggestion that they are often too lenient. Interesting though that is, it is important to remember that determining punishment is a completely different stage of the process to what's going on in this case at the moment. The time to wheel out the fire and brimstone is after the court has determined that the defendant isn't innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 GIRLS ARE THE BEST LIARS The prosecution alleges the boys took the girl to a block of flats, a bin shed and a secluded field to assault her. The boys, now aged 11 and 10, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, deny two charges each of rape and two charges each of attempted rape of a child under 13. In cross-examination by defence counsel, the girl admitted she had voluntarily been playing with the boys. She had pulled her own underwear down while the boys exposed themselves to her. Linda Strudwick, defending the older boy, asked her: "Did you ever tell your mum it was not you but it was (the boys) who took your knickers down? You didn't want your mum to think you had been naughty?" The girl replied: "Yeah." The judge then asked what the girl had been worried about and she replied: "No sweets if it (sic) found out I had been naughty." Earlier, the girl had agreed with Miss Strudwick that scratches on parts of her body may have been caused when the younger boy was trying to help her over a fence. Questioned by Chetna Patel, for the younger boy, the girl admitted leaving the area where she was meant to be playing and approaching the boys. But she said she was not raped as she had earlier claimed. Lets all jump on the bandwagon and blame the boys, not that a girl has ever cried wolf before. tut tut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted May 14, 2010 Author Share Posted May 14, 2010 The boys should have had more respect for a lady in the first place and played hide and seek instead of doctors and nurses. I'm disappointed with the lack of outrage in the early stages though, I had hoped my initial post had been created to get everyone really worked up, it seems I'm losing my touch when it comes to being a troll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 The boys should have had more respect for a lady in the first place and played hide and seek instead of doctors and nurses. I'm disappointed with the lack of outrage in the early stages though, I had hoped my initial post had been created to get everyone really worked up, it seems I'm losing my touch when it comes to being a troll In my line of work I get to see this sort of thing quite a lot. Criminal offences not you being a troll Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 Excellent post GJD. Makes me sick. They are animals. We should treat them as such. Who? The 2 boys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 Excellent post GJD. Who? The 2 boys? I think he means the hamsters. I don't think they are for cuddling, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 This thread is an excellent example of how in this country you are regarded as 'guilty until found innocent'. If not by the state, then by the masses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 What surprises me is that surely they did a medical exam on the child and found enough evidence to allow this to get to court? Crown Prosecution are well known for not bothering if the evidence does not stack up, so surely there will be medical evidence to come? I think the defence will say the 8 year old is scared by the prosecution and cannot remember what really happened. And then rely on the medical evidence. But lets see where this all ends up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 This thread is an excellent example of how in this country you are regarded as 'guilty until found innocent'. If not by the state, then by the masses. I blame the Daily Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 I blame the immigrants until proven guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezzler Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 If you found some kids playing with your daughter and you suspected they had assaulted her, then you'd kill them. You don't realise that maybe that sort of over-protective attitude is the same as the earlier suggestion of the mother putting words into her daughter's mouth to get the two kids accused of rape? Indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 I had a feeling this would be the outcome. I really feel for the two lads, the "no smoke without fire" mentality held by many, will condemn these boys to a changed future. The consequence of the little girls comments will haunt them for a long time. In my experience girls are far more convincing liars than boys will ever be. I know of an 8 year old girl who nearly ruined a teacher's career. The girl alleged assault and got a friend to back it up. The other 28 children in the room, at the time, were too afraid to say anything such was the girls intimidating influence over the children. The staff member was immediately suspended when the mother reported the teacher for assault on her daughter. The case lasted five days, which were five days of hell for the adult, with police calling at their home, visits to police stations etc. Eventually the girl who corroborated the story could not handle the deceit and it's consequences any longer and admitted that she had lied, because she was afraid of being bullied by the first girl. The case was dropped and the teacher totally cleared. Basically nothing happened, the girl who fabricated the assault said she did it " because the teacher was making the girl work too hard". Once it was all out in the open, other pupils came forward to support the teacher's position, saying that teacher had told the girl to stop talking several times during the day as she was disturbing other children. The saddest thing of all in this case, was after the innocence of the teacher was established, parents still came to the school asking for the teacher not to be used by the school, and assurances given that the their children would have no contact with the teacher. So one spiteful statement by a silly little little girl, caused untold stress, to the teacher concerned, stress among all her colleagues, a huge amount of wasted police and legal officials time energy and money. The lasting effect was a permanent slur on the teachers reputation. The only positive of the whole sorry event, was I managed to keep it from the press. The media is hungry for "Jamse Bulger" type incidents as it sells papers, too many people jump on the hysteria band wagon. It is not just the identity of children that needs protecting in these case. Any event involving minors should be kept out of the press and media until absolute facts are certain. We are, as already pointed out, innocent until proven guilty. Surely a society, that considers it self advanced, should be able to recognise that along with innocence goes anonymity. I believe this should extend to secrecy regarding the alleged offence. It is not morally correct to subject innocent children to the accusations of the public. Once facts are established and guilt proven, the baying hoards, can feed off the media when the case is closed. As in this case; a silly little girl made up a silly story, it should have been treated as such, it should never made the news on the street corner. In reality it was blown out of all proportion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 The case isn't over yet, although it looks like the boys will be found not guilty. In the meantime... You can pick up pitchforks, sickles and other farmyard tools on the way out: let's have ourselves a lynchin'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 The case isn't over yet, although it looks like the boys will be found not guilty. In the meantime... You can pick up pitchforks, sickles and other farmyard tools on the way out: let's have ourselves a lynchin'! Maybe anyone that advocates the use of dragon vinyls and undercar neons fo a start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 After these boys have gone thorough the trauma of being accused, whats the chance's of them ever have a decent trusting relationship with a woman when older? Prob mentally scarred for life. But hey! they are guys, guys dont have feelings - do they??, just like non resident Fathers according to the last government we had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attero Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 They must have been mentally challenged anyway to be waving their "genitalia" around anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 Maybe anyone that advocates the use of dragon vinyls and undercar neons fo a start? I'm fettling my pitchfork as we speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 Makes me sick. They are animals. We should treat them as such. How do they compare with animals then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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