michael Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 Can someone explain to me why these potential animals are being wrapped in cotton wool and getting special treatment in this case? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8677779.stm I appreciate they are children but rapist children should be given the biggest shock of their lives and scared close to death to instill the message that this kind of things is very wrong indeed. The poor girl is doing this via a video link and deserves to be given the easiest path possible through this so I can understand it being made less scary on her behalf but once the focus goes onto these monsters it should be halloween masks and creepy fog effects. The jury was told that the court's sitting hours had been shortened and other steps would be taken because the defendants were so young. The judge, Mr Justice Saunders, sat where the court clerk normally sits so he was on the same level as the boys. Thousands of cases have passed through the historic precincts of London's Central Criminal Court, but it has seen few like this. Under the high ceiling of courtroom number seven, the two defendants look tiny. Mr Justice Saunders has dispensed with wig and gown - ordering the barristers to do the same to make the experience less intimidating for the youngsters involved. Dressed in a suit, he does not look down from his bench, instead sitting at a less imposing height in the seat usually occupied by the court clerk. Opposite, the two children accused of such grave offences are not locked in the dock but sit in the back row of the court, alongside their solicitors - and their mothers. Acknowledging the case's "unique difficulties", the judge even changed the court hours to mirror a primary school day, with 40-minute sessions and frequent breaks. Or am I missing the poiint? I blame the ConDem government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjgreen3 Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 Yes you are miles off......... its the ConLib government , However its the human rights aspect that have given these monsters in the making as easy time through the judicial process. Funny how the human rights lot stay quiet in situations such as these when IMO they don't apply. Hope they have a hard time in juvenile detention and learn to be better people in the future and also maybe in time the victim can move on with her life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attero Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 I want to see what the mothers look like. Scum I bet... I blame them for not bringing up their kids the right way. Forget all this media and social group bullshit, if the mothers can't bring up their kids to not rape then they are the worst mothers in the world and they don't deserve to see their kids again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 The problem is, they're innocent until proven guilty... although I'm a believer of no smoke without fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 kill them with fire. (sorry alex) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyP Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 They should be put down. *waits for namby pamby liberals to come along talking rehabilitation * Edit: IBTL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 How do they even know about rape at that age, its all fecked up, shouldnt they be playing with Lego or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 I don't think I even knew about sex when I was 10... or maybe I did, I don't remember. Scumbags, should be castrated and stabbed in the eyes until their lesson is learnt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 Or am I missing the poiint? I blame the ConDem government. Laughed at the last bit. I see your point re the children and I agree with you. I have only been into court for criminal matters a few times (through work not as a convict) and I have always found it slightly scary. Everything has it's place.... last week I sat down on a row of chairs with 5 burly blokes next to me and was subsequently informed that it was the place for police to sit... I then moved to another bench and had a presenter from Look North sitting next to me....I was informed that it was the bench for the press.... I moved again and sat next to 2 women... I was subsequently told that they were the wives of the blokes in the dock. As for the length of time to sit, imagine the most quiet room possible with only one person speaking at a time and usually talking for a long time.... it makes me struggle to concentrate (I start to nod off) never mind a child. Edit: Having read the news article now, I think it is a little premature to decide that the kids raped her. For all we know they could have been playing kissy catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 I actually dont know what to say...first time I am reading this article. WTF!!! If the girl is lying, how the hell does she even know what "rape" is at 8 years old? If the boys are guilty, what the hell are they going to be like when they are 20? Thank f**k I dont plan on having kids........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 Can someone explain to me why these potential animals are being wrapped in cotton wool and getting special treatment in this case? They might be a lot of things but they definately aren't animals, it's an insult and it always annoys me when people make this comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted May 12, 2010 Author Share Posted May 12, 2010 They might be a lot of things but they definately aren't animals, it's an insult and it always annoys me when people make this comparison. Good point and something I normally get annoyed about myself, apologies to the lapse in standards but most of all apologies to all the animals reading (apart from Animal) for dragging you down to this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 Good point and something I normally get annoyed about myself, apologies to the lapse in standards but most of all apologies to all the animals reading (apart from Animal) for dragging you down to this level. lol, thanks Anyway, if the girl is lying, then fingers must point to the mother, for trying to use her daughter in a sick attempt to gain financial reward. If the boys did do it, then they should be castrated and taught a few values. At least you never see animals fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiten55 Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 hmmm if the boys did it they should be locked up and have some form of treatment. But, if the girl made it up.... should she not have the same? At that age, to be able to come up with something like that, definitely needs some kind of punishment and treatment. if they just dismiss it and fine the parents, the only people that suffer are the family, and the only people that gain are the courts. Scary prospect, whichever way you look at it. At that age i was a little git sure, but man those kinda thoughts didn't even enter my mind. And its not necessarily to do with modern cultures either. My little sis is 13 and totally different to some of the scum i see hanging around in the streets at night. we're not overly strict on her, she has freedom, but she also has values. and thats the difference. Not all kids are bad, in fact most of them are generally good, but the select few make up for the good uns... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 But, if the girl made it up.... She might not be making it up, she might just not understand what she is accusing them off. Anyone watch the Simpsons on Sky last Tuesday with Skinner and Crebopal getting caught in the wendy house kissing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 I want to see what the mothers look like. Scum I bet... I blame them for not bringing up their kids the right way. Forget all this media and social group bullshit, if the mothers can't bring up their kids to not rape then they are the worst mothers in the world and they don't deserve to see their kids again. Hellish case but don't you think you should have mentioned fathers here as well, why give the mothers full responsibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Completely messed up. A broken home is clearly an exaggeration here as at that age all I was concerned with was trying to replicate the Transformers transforming sound with my mouth. Khaakhaakhookhaakhaakhee.....ah screw it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axle Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Little shites. Burn, burn and burn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attero Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Hellish case but don't you think you should have mentioned fathers here as well, why give the mothers full responsibility? Chances are, they probably don't know who their fathers are, but I did think about it after. Perhaps they never had a role model to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 I work with children like this, albeit slightly older (15 to 17 years old). I agree with the ideal that these two boys should be punished and be given a severe shock to help them comprehend the seriousness of the offence, although I am not going to jump on the bandwagon where the more severe forms of retribution are being bandied about. At 10 years old their "moral compass" has not been fixed and it is far easier to cprrect it at that age than when they are older. How did they get here, the most likely cause is as I have normally found is the family. Father may have history of sexual offences and may or may not be absent, mother although giving the picture of trying to be a good mother fails miserably because she is more interested in herself than her offspring and expects schools, police, government to provide the moral compass rather than herself. How many times do you hear "my boy is a good boy, he never gets in trouble", whilst "her little boy" is mugging a pensioner. Short sharp shock for the offenders and family I say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attero Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8680370.stm The 8 year old girl has admitted to lying because she had been naughty and if her mother found out she wouldn't get sweets... but has she been forced to say this as a cover up? It seems suspicious that an 8 year old girl is capable of understanding what all this means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Kids are far too savvy for their own good these days, and lives could be ruined before they start. Such a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiten55 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 She might not be making it up, she might just not understand what she is accusing them off. now im not usualy the kind of person to gloat but..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8680370.stm The 8 year old girl has admitted to lying because she had been naughty and if her mother found out she wouldn't get sweets... :D:D:D:D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkei Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Little girls are good liars. They just don't seem to understand the seriousness of what they are saying. They turn into women who are good liars and have the potential to ruin lives because they do not care abou the seriousness of what they are saying. You can understand how hard it is to judge. When this thread started the boys were being condemned... Now we find out the girl may have made it up to aviod any negative conciquences for herself at the expense of the boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 The news generally is way to informative for young children. If I am driving anywhere with the kids in the car and the news comes on I turn it down immediately. They can easily pick up phrases such as rape from news articles and know it is something bad. So when they get in trouble they just say what they can to get out of it. I kept quiet on this thread as you have to wait until the final verdict before calling for them to be burnt at the stake. The case is not finished yet though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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